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Canada’s largest Muslim organisation is outraged over a bill introduced by the Quebec government that would ban headscarves for school support staff and students.

“In Quebec, we made the decision that state and the religion are separate,” said Education Minister Bernard Drainville, CBC News reported. “And today, we say the public schools are separate from religion.”

But the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), who are challenging in the Supreme Court the original bill that forbids religious symbols being worn by teachers, say the new bill is another infringement on their rights and unfairly targets hijab-wearing Muslims.

“This renewed attack on the fundamental rights of our community is just one of several recent actions taken by this historically unpopular government to bolster their poll numbers by attacking the rights of Muslim Canadians,” the NCCM said in a social media post.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The two things that have sown division in this world since forever, rich and poor, and religions

I'd get rid of all religions if I could, but if not that, this is a good step. Schools are not about indoctrinated ideas, it's about learning science and facts. Sure, teach about religions (and don't skip the parts where religion absolutely fucked this world over sideways) but sldont condone the practice of it on school grounds.

If you want to live in the stone Age then go back to a country where that is allowed. If you want to live in a civilized country, then don't expect your religion to be catered to at every corner.

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[–] small44@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

By banning religious signs you do the opposite of separating religion from the state, since the state is forcing people to hide any sign that the person is from a religious group.

There is also the problem that there is thousands of religions that may have their own signs how can you known all the religion signs and ban them? Also beards can be considered a religious sign should we also ban it or require a certain beard length limit just like peoole used to measure how short a women skirt is?

I hope this don't make more visible divisions between canadian. Right know most of the separation is shiwn online.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

I heard arguments about it in other spaces that made a lot of sense to me. Like a judge who ought to be able to visibly set their religion aside while exercising their authority, rather than signaling possible conflicts of interest in the very office such would compromise. I think I'm even on board with that reasoning. By that same reasoning, maybe it's appropriate to also restrict displays of religious affiliation by school staff.

But why students?

That's blatant cultural suppression and I cannot conceive a remotely coherent justification for it. And why the focus specifically on people showing their faces? Can you imagine if we mandated a certain amount of cleavage? How the fuck is this anybody's business?

This just has me re-evaluating the cultural protectionism/outgroup suppression I'd previously deemed adequately justified.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I think it's a good move that Christians aren't allowed to wear crosses in public anymore. Always reminds me of pedophiles and that makes me feel uncomfortable.

[–] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

They're not, the CAQ is nothing but hypocrites on the subject. They excluded Christians symbols from the get go.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

I thought as much.

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[–] Sami@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don't think this law bans all hijab but just the niqab which is the one that also covers the face and is generally seen as fundamentalist in most Muslim countries. The bill itself says face and not head covering. Not to say that this entire bill isn't driven by some level of xenophobia (Christian symbols and holidays are seen as heritage/culture while non-Christian ones are seen purely as religious etc)

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[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think this is wrong. I get that the hijab is complicated ethically, as it's expected of Muslim women. Wether or not it's consensual is debatable, sure.

I've also spoken to Muslim women who claim to be wearing it voluntarily, because it makes them feel less objectified and more comfortable in their own skin. It's also a connection to their cultural and religious background, which is important. As a non-Muslim, I don't really think I'm qualified to argue. I don't think it should be the provincial government's decision either. At the end of the day, it's a piece of cloth... What does it really hurt?

When I lived in Quebec, I saw plenty of Christian religious symbols. Will removing those be enforced as well?

[–] smorks@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (8 children)

apparently, yes. crosses, anyways:

The ban, meant to separate the state from religion, also outlaws Christian crosses, Jewish kippahs and Sikh turbans.

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm happy that Quebec has finally decided to include Christian symbols in these laws (they started targeting Muslim women around 2012/2013 but didn't end up passing any laws banning religious symbols until Bill 62 in 2017), but I don't believe that they will be enforced equally. Also, a cross is easily hidden whereas a head or face covering is not.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Surely any hidden symbol is that much harder to justify banning in the first place. It's pretty hard to attribute to that a negative effect on others who can't even see it.

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[–] rex_meatman@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eliminate tax free status of ALL religions. Fine and charge all public displays of religion that are outside of their own properties, be it private or congregations. So sick and tired of seeing our laws bend to include or exclude religions. It’s a wonder that after 3000 some years that the Abrahamics still have this much pull.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms guarantees freedom of religion. That means freedom to worship in private or public. Unless you're planning on bending the constitution, you can't remove public display of religion in Canada.

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