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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[โ€“] RandomVideos@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Be careful. If you move to Italy, you might start hating people over how they eat food(like eating spaghetti with bread)

[โ€“] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on the "double carbs bad" train for awhile, but I don't care when other people do it.

[โ€“] folaht@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I say go for it. You have better luck getting rid of fascism in Europe than you have in the US. Just know that if US influence is waning over this part of the world, it means US democrat as well. And China will likely become the new big influence on the region if not Russia. And such a transition will be very violent.

[โ€“] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is true, if Europe goes fascist the Americans will invade and bring y'all some more freedom. If the United States goes fascist we're all just screwed.

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[โ€“] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

[โ€“] Stizzah@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know that you will have to keep paying taxes to the US, right?

[โ€“] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-residents-abroad-filing-requirements

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident living or traveling outside the United States, you generally are required to file income tax returns, estate tax returns, and gift tax returns and pay estimated tax in the same way as those residing in the United States.

If you are a U.S. citizen or resident alien, the rules for filing income, estate, and gift tax returns and paying estimated tax are generally the same whether you are in the United States or abroad. You are subject to tax on worldwide income from all sources and must report all taxable income and pay taxes according to the Internal Revenue Code.

The question is asked probably because there's no real way of avoiding the empire's grip if you're born into it, even if you naturalize as a citizen of another country.

[โ€“] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Holy fuck! I didn't know that.

[โ€“] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I only learned about it recently too... It's pretty ironic considering that the whole "No taxation without representation" colonial shtick continues to be worshiped by the bootlickers of the empire.

[โ€“] Bloomcole@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not too fond of the plenty Americans having the same idea.
Stay there.

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