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[–] RolyRamen@lemmy.world 65 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It’s exactly a DLC that Activision realised they could make people pay £70 for instead of half that. Only a few weeks after MW2 came out it was being floated that there was no COD for 2023, and instead a Ghost focused expansion would come out to fill the void.

Don’t like it don’t buy it but FFS stop with faux shock and horror. COD is of the most aggressively monetised franchises in mainstream gaming, from a company with zero scruples. Facts that have been valid for a decade or more and the regular news cycle attached to it all gets tiring.

Ignore the bugger and maybe they’ll be forced to do better next time when this sell’s poorer (you can hope at least). It’s not like this is some long awaited sequel either, just skip this one. There’s so much more to play this year in particular.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The achievements on Xbox and PS5 even show up as a DLC of MW2. I wonder how late in the development process did they realize that if they could sell almost the same game every year then they probably could literally sell the same game twice.

[–] AZERTY@feddit.nl 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They realized that in 2012 tbh. I haven't purchased an MW game since (old) MW2 because I hated their practice of yearly releases while only adding incremental changes.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

It was a better package deal when Zombies was at its heyday. It was the only reason I got CODs, though I would play multi as well. Now that Zombies is a pile of steaming shit I have no reason to buy COD.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think those of us who spend a little more time on forums and such talking about games really over estimate how knowledgeable the average consumer is about these things. Millions of people never, ever question the quality of games they want. They played call of duty for a decade, so they just kinda have an expectation. Same thing when I go out to buy a loaf of bread. Just more expensive lol

So it’s not a faux-shock. For some people this is the first time they bought a game that they had an expectation for and it fell radically short. Why else would they start complaining? They haven’t had a reason to before and they just aren’t generally aware of all of this. If you ask the average call of duty player what they think of Activision, they probably have little to no opinion on them and haven’t even heard of Blizzard. Just like how I don’t have an opinion on every single director, movie studio, etc.

[–] MrBubbles96@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. To us, it's not surprising because we decided to look into it because we're either big into a series, or we got burned enough in the past. for others? It's either legit the first time they've gotten burned, or the straw that broke the camel's back and made them at least somewhat critical/wary of the media they consume.

[–] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Much more concise way of putting it lol

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[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Leading up to mw2 launch, they were repeatedly saying it was the first 2 year release. They said there would only be a paid dlc at the end of the year. A few weeks into launch they back pedeled and released a statement saying that wasn't true. Something they could have done before launch, but didn't, for sales. There are maps in mw3 that have been in the code of mw2 since launch andnwere never released. Fuck them.

[–] Ear_of_Corn@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

My thoughts exactly, we live in a world where content creators have to make content on new releases to stay afloat. Never pre-order and VOTE WITH YOUR MONEY

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this is also what happened with AC: Mirage. Ubi originally had planned it as DLC for Valhalla.

At least they had the decency not to charge $70 for it, but still, it's MBA businessthink in charge of AAA gaming right now. Unless people stop buying them, nothing changes.

[–] eoddc5@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

At least - and I can’t believe i am defending Ubisoft - they released “hey this dlc, let’s make it bigger and better and into its own game”

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[–] Ear_of_Corn@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you're sick of massive AAA developers running cash grabs, my suggestion is stop patronizing their games until they get their sh*t together. An excellent alternative if you're looking for a fun FPS game is Battle-Bit Remastered. I personally love this game, and there is a long running joke that the three guys that made this basically shat on the AAA developer world when they released a full featured FPS for $15 that is enjoyable and has 0 micro transactions.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I totally respect what they've done, and I admittedly am not a Call of Duty player, but Roblox graphics are an instant turn off for me and I really don't think the general CoD player base is going to be drawn in by it either. If there was a graphics pack that made it look modern and zero percent like Roblox I might be able to get into it, but not as it is.

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[–] EnderofGames@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

wow, just like a certain game that launched twelve years ago, called "Modern Warfare 3"

[–] yuri@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I stated playing battlebit and I don’t even consider bothering with mainstream titles anymore. This release is garbage, the last 5 releases have just been progressively worse and worse, like hey even bother?

It feels like I have more fun in 1 game of battlebit than I did over the entirety of my 200+ hours of BO2, which was the last mainstream shooter I played that didn’t feel entirely like a waste of money.

[–] Risk@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I bought battlebit but the audio didn't work, so I refunded it :(

[–] yuri@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

That’s crazy, I’m playing on linux with no issues hahaha

It is still early access, so if the issue hasn’t been fixed already I’m sure it will be before too long!

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[–] leotonius@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I have basically been addicted to CoD for the past couple of years, but recently finally cracked and got annoyed enough that I don't play nearly as often, or nearly as long anymore. Expensive and overly monetized, absolutely, but there are so many other issues. This is my way-too-long rant that I always go on about CoD:

  • Camo that is always intentionally very dark so that people will buy it, and then it will get nerfed once sales die down

  • Same with OP weapon blueprints-- sell the new OP blueprint, then nerf it eventually, and then take the PR stance of claiming that you listen to fan feedback.

  • Feeling like I'm playing Pokémon with all the swords and shields... I hate shields. Shields making someone practically invincible on almost half of their body, and them having zero movement penalty when they are on someone's back is absolute horseshit. Swords, where people can run faster because it's a light weapon, and you can have the Double Time perk to move even faster, so that they can just rush you and slap you with an instant kill is also absolute horseshit. I DO love sticking a shield person with Thermite, but so many other things should work against them and they just don't.

  • The game crashing, and crashing often. Which for MWII was only fixed in the last couple of months, in my experience.

  • The incredibly annoying "Restart Game" prompt when you load up CoD, it downloads the stupid store bullshit, and then the game needs to be restarted before you can continue

  • The stupid UI. Let me get to Quick Play, IDK, quickly, maybe? I should not have to click through a million stupid tiles just to get to Quick Play

  • Oh, and stop fucking changing my playlist filter to include some random game mode every now and then. If I have my filter set to just TDM, don't you damn dare any other mode onto that filter.

  • Night maps. Fuck night maps. MWII has one night map, and there's zero options in these games to filter out night maps or any other map you may despise (like Border Crossing).

Despite all of this (and so, so much more) I still have 600+ hours into MWII alone, but the more I play it now, the more I find I just get angry at how shitty the entire experience actually is. The parts of it that are fun and addicting are not worth all the other bullshit. I do not intend to purchase MWIII.

[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
  • Feeling like I'm playing Pokémon with all the swords and shields... I hate shields. Shields making someone practically invincible on almost half of their body, and them having zero movement penalty when they are on someone's back is absolute horseshit. Swords, where people can run faster because it's a light weapon, and you can have the Double Time perk to move even faster, so that they can just rush you and slap you with an instant kill is also absolute horseshit. I DO love sticking a shield person with Thermite, but so many other things should work against them and they just don't.

Wait, I don't play CoD. Can you clarify what you mean by swords and shields? Shields I can imagine being some sort of body armor, but are people carrying around steel swords like they're medieval knights in a game titled "Modern Warfare"?

[–] n00@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

shields are the police shields which completely block every single shot on it, and yea you can literally run around with a katana

[–] poke@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

I don't play COD all that much, but I was one of the crowd who made my purchase of MWII in part because it was supposedly going to stick around for 2 years. I feel slighted that they had nearly complete versions of nostalgic maps in Warzone only to never release them in regular multiplayer and instead hold them for MWIII. I refuse to support this bait by spending on COD any further.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"No one will ever find out! We did this"

"Shit...."

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The people who care enough to complain are also largely the ones who keep buying it, so they train companies to realize that complaining is something that can be ignored because it's all bark and no bite.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The sales figures of this might still be ok, but the next might be poorer, but that won't be blamed on this.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 3 points 8 months ago

They'll probably think we didn't have enough DLCs and microtransactions to make people happy, and out DRM needs to be more intrusive to improve our sales.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I'm done with COD after last year's. If I don't buy battle pass blah blah...I spent 70 fucking dollars already, that's the price of the game not a ticket to continually pay. Fuck off.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I feel like CoD has been a joke for like the past 5-7 years. They just keep rehashing the same thing year after year and players gobble it up. My friend is addicted to it and plays it online constantly, I stopped playing it when they shifted focus from the offline single player and two player story/missions to the online Battle Royale style games. I don't find getting spawn killed and getting screamed at by 10 year olds fun.

[–] holiday@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Cod has been a joke since development was taken from Infinity Ward. Infinity Ward worked on the engine for CoD3 but Treyarch developed the game. The last great CoD was the original Modern Warfare.

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[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 8 months ago

If you bought horse armor back in the day, you directly caused this problem.

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Well, you vote with your wallet. This is what happens when gamers pre-order incomplete games and scream about the state of the game on social media: you get crap products like this.

Money is the only thing that appeals to companies. If people would just vote with their wallets, we wouldn't have this situation.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Fucking seriously.

You don’t want to support this shit? Don’t pay them for this shit… If you really want to play the shit, sail the seas ffs

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[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I'm itching for a good single player arcade-y/soldier-y FPS. Anyone have a suggestion? Haven't played CoD (nor BF for that matter) since the one with the No Russian level.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Insurgency: Sandstorm has a very solid base even if it has been mismanaged of late.

[–] Libberator@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

BattleBit, if you want a BFBC2 multiplayer feeling!

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Okay I'm seeing tons of comments from people about Battle Bit, but is there something good like it that features more realistic graphics? No disrespect to that game but the Roblox style instantly kills it for me.

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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

As opposed to the original MW3, which was a totally unique experience from CoD MW2 because...well don't worry about that part, it was its own disk!

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[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Heh. I was just discussing this with a friend 2 days ago. We surmised that they would half ass it even more than MW2 because this one was already half assed and still sold well, and Battlefield, which is basically their only competitor, is in shambles right now (and was in a an even more sorry state around when they probably started working on MW3).

Sounds like we were mostly correct

[–] ilovededyoupiggy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm old. I miss the WW2 CODs.

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[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

If you pay that without waiting for reviews then it is a well deserved price.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

I really have no sympathy. These people have been buying the exact same game on repeat for at least a decade. Same with people who buy the exact same sports games every single year even though almost nothing has changed. Stop supporting this bullshit, there are millions of games out there. I'm absolutely tired of every fucking 16-35 year old male asking me if I'm playing the new call of duty.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I tried the beta a couple weeks ago. Right off the bat, I got windows firewall popups when launching the client which crashed the client. And it's slow to launch too. The menus are terrible. It actually launches a 2nd client from the first one, which prompted another Windows firewall popup which crashed it again, so I had to go through launching both clients again before it actually got around to launching the actual game (I don't think that one actually prompted firewall again).

The gameplay was ok. It was pretty smooth and I saw no obvious bugs or crashes. There were some balance problems, but it is a beta so I wrote those off. At the same time, nothing really stood out to me as new, novel, or innovative. I'm assuming this is what the article means by it feeling like a DLC of the last game. I didn't play the last one but I can see it not being any different. Maybe just new maps. Those kinds of things used to be released for free in games (and many games still do) in order to keep the game alive and retain players so they keep paying those microtransactions.

The biggest problem I had was that I noticed some guns are unlocked just by playing the game. But some guns specifically said they had to be unlocked in the shop. Literally pay to win weapons. I've played CoD games in the past with microtransactions and they always only sold cosmetics so I didn't mind, but weapons now? That's a no from me dawg.

Lastly, I prefer playing games with friends. But due to the nature of randomized respawns in most of the game modes, you don't really experience coordinated gameplay. You could play battle royale but I'm over that now. So I'm back on OW2 instead. While it has stupid expensive skins that used to be free, at least it's not pay to win, and I can enjoy actual team play.

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[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Thankfully this is the first COD I've bought in like 4+ years. Still shameful

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