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Fine, I'll admit, I have a problem. I hear obvious bullshit and I sort of automatically filter it out because it's clearly bullshit and nobody will buy into it, and then sometimes it turns out it was actually a Really Big Deal that I probably should have paid some attention to. Made that mistake with Bitcoin, could have been rich but noooo, I ignored it because it was obviously dumb as hell. Another example: I distinctly remember going "What is this Gamergate shit? It'll probably blow over but let me try to see if there's a point to it" and then I got a booty-call from my then-girlfriend that her roommate was heading out to class so I went up to her dorm room, and that was the last I really paid attention to gamergate until years later when it turned out to have become a whole thing. My eyes would just glaze over anytime I saw the word because I basically went "oh yeah its that bullshit that dumbasses were losing their minds over and nobody cares about, I ain't got time to pay attention to that shit" and then it turns out it was actually this major flashpoint for the rise of the particularly bizarre new far right dweebs we get nowadays.

I did the same thing with "tankies". Never heard the term until maybe 2017? and largely ignored it. It just seemed to be a nothingburger, some new term for a few terminally online weirdos who hated Communists, and I assumed they were just fascists because you know who hated the Communists the most? Nazis. But then it spread and more people started using it, and then applying it more broadly (even Bernard Brethren are tankies, apparently?) which meant that it was such a varied term as to have no meaning. And I basically wrote off anyone hating on tankies as some dumbass who wasn't worth listening to because they were too ill informed to have anything of value to say.

It's probably not all of a sudden but it's really dawning on me that this is not some flash in the pan that'll just go away. I've been expecting it to just burn itself out because it's so obviously on its face bullshit. But, fast forward and the term seems to have taken on a whole life of its own. So many people hate on "tankies". Even anarchists I know irl hate on "tankies". Supposedly radical leftists hate on "tankies". I went on a date with an anarchist who started ragging on "tankies" and I just left because what even is that shit? It's become so prevalent I feel I can't ignore it anymore.

Don't support the NATO proxy war that's grinding up Ukrainian lives? Ebil tankie. Don't support genocide in Palestine? Ebil tankie. Wouldn't vote for Genocide Joe or Holocaust Harris? Ebil tankie. Not racist against Chinese people? Ebil tankie. Think Cuba and Venezuela are cool actually? Ebil tankie. Don't like NATO? Ebil tankie. Post on Hexbear? Ebil tankie.

I didn't grow up during the Cold War so idk how AmeriKKKan society was about Communists, but I don't remember any of this level of prevalent rabid anti-Communism from liberals and even people who fancy themselves as so-called radical leftists in like, 2000 - 2015. This is getting absurd and frankly baffling. Not too long ago a bunch of these same people were saying socialism is cool, war is bad, black and brown lives matter. But now all of a sudden it seems like you actually apply those slogans and you're an "ebil tankie".

What makes it seem extra insidious is that basically all of this seems to feed back into supporting USAdian warmongering and imperialism. Like, what is a "tankie"? When you ask people they'll say "Authoritarian Communists" but it really just seems that they call anyone who isn't deepthroating the boot of the AmeriKKKan Empire a "tankie".

How did this happen? What is going on?

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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Dawg for real, I don't even know what a tankie is but I guess your last paragraph described what it could be. I feel the bitcoin thing, I was in 9th grade and one coin was ~$30. I wanted to buy some but didn't bother wasting my allowance on it. Ops, guess I should have

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (48 children)

From an outside perspective, it's overuse of the term tankie. If someone is getting called a tankie for supporting Palestine over Israel due to the genocide of Palestinians thats just inaccurate.

From when people are being reasonable, I primarily see the term tankie associated with people who are pro China and Russia to the point where they ignore all the horrible shit going on, basically the exact opposite of a super patriotic American who ignores all the horrible shit that America does.

It should definitely just cover authorarian communist countries but it's drastic overuse when it doesn't apply. I don't think being generally fine with Cuba or whatever should be an issue, what little I've heard about Cuba recently it seems to be pretty nice.

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

I primarily see the term tankie associated with people who are pro China and Russia to the point where they ignore all the horrible shit going on,

Regarding Russia, there are two groups - (1) a very small number of confused people who unconditionally suppport Russia because they confuse it with the USSR and haven't looked at the economic and political changes that have happened over the last thirty years, and (2) a broader section of the left which sees a Russian victory in Ukraine as the lesser evil compared to a never-ending war that will cause much more death and suffering.

Regarding China, they have lifted more people out of poverty in the last fifty years, and are doing more to fight climate change now, than the rest of the world combined. It is one thing to criticise specific Chinese policies or actions, but anyone who does not acknowledge the good they have done cannot be taken seriously.

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