no way. this kind of elitism and gatekeeping kills communities

So call me what you will but I just want a new "Reddit". I want a place where I can come up with a niche and find a place where people are talking about it. Whether it's experts or enthusiasts but I want to shared experience of "talking about X".

I think I disagree. I have heard this a lot on Reddit and I've heard it about Twitter, Google Plus and a bunch of other social networks and I've been on small ones and huge ones alike. Honestly, to me, when a social network is large it includes both nuanced discussion and there more casual posting. I don't see why both can't exist on the same site and I feel like it often does exist on the same site.

I also think people have a huge range of interests, some of which might be quite niche and having a large user base means these niche communities can thrive. When I've used smaller social networks, this typically has been the problem. They often have their tech communities covered and they often have other large common hobbies and interests covered, but if you take for example learning welsh or theremin music or something else, then you typically only get communities about those things on larger networks.

I've been finding Reddit quite toxic lately, I also find it annoying how much less engaged people are in the actual articles posted and more interested in getting a laugh going off topic.

Yes! Every time I read a conversation on here, I feel like I'm back on Reddit of yore, and it's an amazing feeling. I went to Reddit last week (it had an answer to a tech question that was posted a year or so ago), and was appalled at the negativity of the comment section.

At this rate i don't see the bulk moving here because it's way less user friendly. Many others have made this point much more fluently than i can, but Lemmy just isn't friendly for non nerds or people who don't want\have the time to put into learning it. Until there's an app for lemmy as widely useable as, say, Apollo was, i doubt the masses will come here. Until then it'll be us committed fediverse dorks who really want to be here - not just any old joe with a phone and wifi who wants to pop in, hurt someone's feelings for funsies, and run away giggling.

Not really. I feel like it's not healthy for any community if all the people you don't like aren't there to offer their viewpoint. The more you build an echo chamber with no dissenting opinions, the more extreme it becomes and the less it's able to deal with things that clash with it's ideals. The less it's involved with things that clash with it's ideals.

-This does not include groups with completely bad faith arguments that are clearly racist bigots.

Reddit is not going to die. Not atleast in foreseeable future.

The bulk of reddit has already gone back to reddit.

Don't get me wrong, lemmy is great just the way it is. We don't need a continued influx from reddit (although lets see what happens on 1 July).

The best part about Reddit is the sheer amount of actually useful, highly specific information about anything. The friendly community aspect has been, in my opinion, slowly crumbling for a few years now. If Lemmy starts to get as big as current Reddit, then I'm sure it will follow the same path and become shittifed. I do hope it takes a while though.

There is always going to be negative users. They are already here

Does anyone else hope the bulk of Reddit stays there?

No. I think it's better without a million American teenagers.

I think those who are not satisfied with the direction Reddit is going are already here and found a new home. Maybe some will come here after the thrid-party-apps cease to work (if they aren't here already).

The vast majority (the "bulk of Reddit") doesn't bother. As long as they can use Reddit the way they use to they will not leave. It possibly has to do with the fact that these users are not tech-savvy enough in general. I don't mean it in a negative way. They just don't care because they just focus on other things. And with this in mind these users probably checked out Lemmy already but because the buttons are green and their favorite subreddit is not here yet, it is not appealing to them. So they rather stay on reddit.

I definitely hope the... simply massive amount of information stored there is archived in some way. I was troubleshooting some technical issues for a very niche hardware and software application this morning and the only sources I could find were on reddit.

I feel similarly about Discord. There is so much technical knowledge and information that would be lost in the blink of an eye if Discord shut down.

Lots of reddit will find themselves unwelcome in Lemmy and by various instance admins. They may make their own instances, but depending on the content that comes from them, they may even be defederated from ours.

Lemmy is community owned, community run, and community focused. There is no profit motive. There is no logic to keeping people on your instance or interacting with it who work to its detriment. Just having more people on your instance doesn't mean "one additional customer".

Yeah, I see the shitty part of reddit is moving here now, doing internet arguments again.

I think Reddit will slowly bleed users as the experience gets worse but it won't collapse altogether. It's not likely that any one service will replace it but I could see a series of successors come about eventually.

I just hope the capitalist bootlickers stay there. I'm tired of bad faith arguments that try to slow down class solidarity.

I think there's a loud, negative minority that WILL stay there, and it's going to become even more of the type of place that they like.

I've been through multiple aggregator site meltdowns and migrations. Some will stay, some will go, everyone will eventually find a new home. No worries!

Perhaps not the bulk. As people flee Reddit, I've been already noticing a few users here behaving as they were in Reddit: assumers, irrationals, context-illiterate, "chrust me" babble, so goes on. I feel like those perhaps would do a great service for Lemmy if they stayed in Reddit.

However I also think that this is partially a result of the environment, as Reddit has been tailored for stupidity. So it's possible that those users start behaving a bit more like decent people, as time goes by.

I definitely get how you feel, but I think free communities stay like this one in tone, regardless of whether they get substantial growth. I think it could be a counterintuitive sign of health when Lemmy is big enough that some of its userbase is kinda annoying and you have to find the subs (is that the right term here?) with the community that you like