This is essentially adding another layer of tax or tariffs on imports, and more impediments to global trade. Basically, Trump is determined to stall trade with the world and fuck the economy.
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Trump is gonna slide from ecnomic war into actual hot war pretty soon at this rate.
The Chinese aren't going to back down no matter what he does. The West is still reliant on China and the U.S. is pissing off everyone.
The economy already gonna be fucked, the question is will Americans stop him before he starts more wars? Doesn't seem like it unfortunately.
will Americans stop him before he starts more wars?
A really good question. Politically it seems like it's not going to happen, but I still have (at least naive) hope that the actual US mlitary would not respond on commands should the cheeto order active military operations against China. That would make absolutely no sense in so many ways, no matter how you spin it around, that I'd expect the boots on the ground would just say 'fuck off'.
But I also tought that the orange clown wouldn't have a chance on elections either, so we'll see. And also, I'm across the pond from US, so my information is mostly from European media outlets and social media around here, so take that with suitable grain of salt. I just rather not see the reality where US is fighting China and Europe is left to deal with Russia. Not because we couldn't handle that, but because that would be just bat shit crazy situation in my lifetime.
Assuming that others are acting rational is sadly often a bad idea. It extents to some governments too, the USA are now like Russia in this regard.
Trumo and Putin be "special operations" butt buddies, their nightly wet dream.
You are of course not wrong with that. But also I tend to believe that high ranking military personnel are pretty practical and rational on their decision making. Getting US military boots on the ground in China would be bigger than Vietnam war scale of operations even to the US army and it would have immense effects on both US army and the country as a whole. The operation would practically mean moving a smaller European country quite literally across the ocean even without any warfare and when the receiving coast is armed to teeth and willing to fight for their land it's way more difficult.
And for what? Absolutely destroying on whatever respect and trust is left globally? Because there's no way in hell US army would conquer and keep the whole China. Maybe expand Hong Kong or Taiwan a bit and gain a relatively small area of land for material imports? It just doesn't make any kind of sense at all.
9/11 retaliaton at least made some sense as US was willing to punish someone for the tradegy and Iraq wars had resources they could actually hold and gain from but with China there's just no way for US to make any profitable scenario out of open warfare. Anything they might gain from that would be diminishingly small compared to the military effort and expenses they would need to get anything out of that fight.
And that's what I'm pretty much counting on. No matter how patriotic the generals might be, attacking China just doesn't make any sense and it doesn't have any arguments for it beyond the rambling of a demented leader they have. I refuse to believe that the biggest military and logistics might in the world would do that stupid things just because one man said so.
You assume the generals would disobey? What if he just replaces them? Why shouldn't he, if they really do that? Russia has some smarter generals, they attacked Ukraine.
I still have a fools hope that generals and other high ranking military people have their feet firmly on the ground, as their whole training, career and often identity necessities. And, at least on my belief, that also means that they won't lead their military across the ocean to get their ass handed over.
I'm quite confident that US military could defeat their Chinese counterpart on a level field, but fighting across the ocean is a logistical nightmare and even if they could get their boots on the ground against Chinese holding anything there would be nearly impossible and it would have an astronomical price tag. USA might be able to pull that off, but in the long term it would just be another Vietnam, but with far more severe consequences locally.
So, yes, I assume that generals would disobey. And any competent replacement would disobey too. Replacing them with someone who don't know what they're doing would just be a disaster for the US of A. It might still happen, but at that point they'd look like the "second strongest army in the world" which is being destroyed on a field in Ukraine and there would be no hope for anyone in the Europe (or maybe globally) who would like to do any meaningful business with the US, so they'd just dig their own grave. pretty much like what Russia is doing right now.
If you think generals are rational professionals, you should consider reading about what kind of dumb shit they did in WW2 for various stupid reasons. There is a reason the USA has 2 air forces.
What the US always does, is have the cia/nsa blow something important up, then blame it on someone (China, in this case). All of a sudden the country is ready to go to war with China.
Didn't he already fire the military judges that could overrule his orders?
Orange freak is counting on never stepping down.
good thing were tryna get brics to replace the us dollar.
Yes, I imagine there will be a rush to spend a trillion or two setting up infrastructure in a country that can't keep it's trade policy consistent for 45 minutes in a row.
lol this is nakedly apparent as a shakedown
Trick is that Vancouver is a massive port complex and can pick up the slack for the US pacific ports.
And knowing how Richmond, BC operates, expect to see a lot of sudden Chinese business activity where things are being "finished" in Canada then shipped to the US.
Ships may be built in China but they're all registered in Panama.
Problem is that it says country of manufacture instead of country of registration
China could also say only Chinese ships docking at Chinese ports and now there's a nice middlemen that also adds cost to the price.
The most efficient is probably ship to Mexico or Canada and import through land, but still need middlemen to do them + extortion by Cartels in Mexico.
Yeah except China needs Canadian resources just like the US does, and they have a one in 2 centuries chance to deprive the US of resources.
laughs in the Port of Vancouver
Don't ships normally register in a different country than where it's owned?