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Fuck off with this peace police bullshit. Define violence? Are you including property destruction, obstruction of movement? Where are these studies? How are they are defining success, violence and what movements to include? Just complete nonsense meant to police a movement to inaction.
As the photo in the literal OP makes clear, this movement is nonviolent. Why are you folks hellbent on making it violent? Nonviolent does not mean non-disruptive.
Maybe start your own national protest movement.
Not a single right that we have was given to us
Every single right we have was won from bloody conflict against oppressors.
The status quo depends on us never truely forcing change to happen.
Peaceful protests working is American revisionist history.
On the topic of violent vs. non-violent: What this statistic completely fails to take into account is that violent protests on average have much more radical demands/goals. So their demands are much less likely to be met from the start because of the nature of the demand.
Yeah, violence happens because you've pushed those people WAAAYYYYYY further.
This post is a classic case of correlation is not causation.
Also: what does success mean? Often times, non-violent protests are met with delay tactics and empty compromises until they've died down, only for the protested thing to happen anyway. It could be that the 26% have a much larger percentage of their goals met.
The existence of a violent radical fringe is what shifts the Overton Window to make the peaceful movement look moderate by comparison. MLK "succeeded" where Malcolm X "failed," but it was the presence and threat of Malcolm X as the alternative that made the Powers That Be realize that it behooved them to work with MLK.
What is a violent protest? Isn't that just a riot? Pretty sure if 3.5%+ of the country was rioting there would be some change.
lol
May 1st is the next one, right?
I'm not saying the French haven't achieved great things with fire but I am begging people on Lemmy or Reddit or Bluesky or whatever to watch the fuck out for agitators trying to push the mass toward a violent/riotous state. You do not want to push the admin to sick dogs on you and declare martial law purely because of ~~ vibes ~~.
Corollary;
a) We all know that if Fox can reasonably photoshop your demonstration to look bad, admin has what it needs. This isn't a counterargument.
b) We all know things are really fucking bad. I don't have a good answer.
c) Just remember the French got their reputation over the course of centuries after the Terror. Americans don't have that historical baggage.
Just don't get got by psyops, people. Tell Umbrella Man to fuck off and start filming anyone trying to change the tenor of your event.
Perhaps the future will make my apparent timidity look foolish but nevertheless there is a concerted effort going on in these comments to ratfuck this particular movement's goals and methods.
Tell that to the Tiannanmen people...
The guys that stole automatic weapons and fired on civilians?