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Palestine should be allowed to exist without needing a Star Wars level rebel terrorist group to rage against Israel's cruelty.
Fuck Hamas, but they only exist because of Israel.
Now the only question is if we can get that genie back in the bottle if we correct our mistake, stop funding Israel, and let them fade away into dust.
Changing the guards of a prison, doesn't make it less a prison. There needs to be economic trade, economic development, a path to prosperity for people to believe in so they stop investing in the past.
As long as Gaza is entirely surrounded by Israel or countries doing Israels bidding, it will remain a prison, unless Israel goes through serious reform and atops being a brutal opressive regime.
For that to happen all illegal settlements would need to be dismantled though.
Or we need the formation af a new state that includes all territories, gives equal rights to arabs and jews and returns as much land as possible to displaced palestinians as well as compensates them properly. Also all terrirorists, that means also all settler terrorists need to be tried and convicted for their atrocities. For that i think it would be best do these trials at the ICC and provide prison facilities in Europe for the pre trial and post trial imprisonment of terrorists.
If Palestinians are given a real perspective and some justice i think it could work out. It would require the current terrorists and corrupt criminals in both governments to be removed from power though. So Bibi and Abbas will fight it tooth and nails.
As an intermediate step we would probably need a new UN mandate and lots of pressure to make Israels apartheid government step down.
Yeah, but you shouldn't release people before they're re-socialized either. Gaza needs an occupying force for the same reason my home country needed one in 1945: Way too many fascist in the population.
Some some survey data:
And of course there's the fact that 2013 at least 59% of Palestinians were in favor of executing apostates (i.e. murdering people who cease to be Muslim).
That said, of course there needs to be a positive economic development. Just like there was in Germany under occupation.
That's idea I guess: why take the responsability if not to make changes? Would be senseless otherwise.
It makes sense but it is also not just impossible but begging for a world power to step in and impose themselves. How would an union already incapable of helping Ukraine and dealing with internal turmoil in each of their countries suddenly project itself between two groups that want to kill each other and think they will be successful there. Hell, have you even thought about how Turkey and Hungary would react and try to exploit their own influence over such a protectorate?
The UK should be the protectorate there. They've got experience in the region. (/s)
Edit: added /s before someone takes it serious.
Residents of Blackpool and Luton would welcome this as it would give them a new opportunity to live somewhere better.
I see your /s
Probably a good point, before someone takes it serious. Then again, the German word would be "ausbaden" for it.
Last time we were in charge we caused the current situation
Why is it impossible? The simplest possible way would be to hold new elections in Gaza for which Hamas do not run.
It would probably lead to a group identical to Hamas being elected, but it would be neither Israel nor Hamas.
What may be impossible is a government that's aligned with western governments, but that's not what is being asked for.
I thought I spent most of my comment explaining why. I think your last sentence illustrates it best - do you think western governments like the US and anyone not Von der Leyen would be ok with it?
project itself between two groups that want to kill each other and think they will be successful there.
Because Israel wouldn't attack them and the other group won't have many weapons left when the IDF is finished with them. Obviously it won't be the EU alone as it would be seen as too one sided (well Ireland maybe not), but let's not forget that we're talking about a 360kmΒ² area with less than 2 million people here. This isn't a huge landlocked mountain country like Afghanistan, it's a tiny strip of desert with a modern harbor in walking distance. For reference you can look at the manpower KFOR and similar missions have.
It's not going to be easy to get political approval but a UN mission would almost certainly be able to keep the peace there.
It's better than just hoping Israel works it out, but it's still unworkable. Israel won't accept it. Hamas won't accept it. The US won't accept it. Iran won't accept it. Russia won't accept it. Whoever would be left doing it would get attacked from all sides, from within, and all while getting accused of imperialism from outside. I don't think a UN peacekeeping mission in territory where conflict is being fueled by the billions from all sides is workable, and if anything, it will attract the attention world powers who say they can only so they can station their bases closer to where their black markets are. It's still just my opinion, but reality will have to convince me on this one.
Hamas wonβt accept it.
That's a pro not a con. Obviously any international peacekeeping mission's main objective would be to wipe out Hamas completely. The key is to make it easier for Palestinians to support their liberation from that regime that it would be if the - unfortunately necessary - occupying solders were Israeli.
All the other main groups might be willing to negotiate a peace deal. Hamas (and a few smaller similar groups) are what needs to purged to make that happen.
Seems like theyre starting to go in a sane direction
Fuckin A man.
It should've been Egypt, but they don't want to.
I don't think they have the capabilities is my guess. It's understandable they don't want to, it's gonna be dangerous af. Politically speaking a UN Occupation and Peace Force would be the best way forward. Best from a country that is far away. China is not a bad contender. They have the resources and could gain valuable trade posts as well as prove their value as a world power they so desperately want to be. Philippines might also not be a bad choice they already have experience in UN Missions in Africa. Other choices could be a lot of states that have no geographical connection and don't belong to the "west" to avoid it seeming like some (post) imperialistic occupation.
Israel would probably be fine with Egypt but there's not much love left between Egyptians and Palestinians, and Egypt has its own shit to deal with in more than one way. The US is problematic for the same kind of reason: Palestinian distrust.
What could actually work is Germany, or more generally speaking a EU contingent under German command: Europe provides just over 50% of the total aid to Palestine and Palestinians know that, 20% from Arab countries, 11% from the US. (Providing aid to Palestinians is our favourite way to tell Israel's right wing to fucking cut it out).
All that hinges on Netanyahu and his Kahanites getting ousted, though, there can't be anything benefitting a peace process while von Papen and his fascists are in power as their power depends on conflict. Poll-wise it's looking good.
What could actually work is Germany, or more generally speaking a EU contingent under German command
Why would Germany and the EU ever agree to this? What they get is an impossible mission in a deeply troubled area and all the blame for every ill that will ever befall it in the future.
European Forces occupying the middle east gives of hard imperialistic taste. Also seeing how the EU and Germany are so close to the US militarily this could just be seen again as a western power struggle where US proxies are put in place. No what is needed is a country that is non aligned to neither the west nor the middle east.
Whoever administers the Gaza strip, has to be neutral, or at least acceptable to the government of Israel. Egypt has a complex history with the government of Israel, and Israel probably doesn't want Egyptian listening posts inside of their territory.
Egypt warned Israel about this attack. Egypt is not an enemy of Israel and hasn't been for a long time. Also >inside of their territory. Since when is Gaza part of Israel's territory?? Pretty biased language there.
At least Egypt doesn't officially deny the Israel's right to exist. That's good enough.
Very true. Fortunately, that is what Israel is also espousing. They don't want to rule it after the war. That's good. Not much else that they're doing is good, but that is.
Hamas, however, sure does want to rule it after the war.
Hamas needs to be removed like a tumor, if the world doesn't want Israel to do it, then another Arab nation or world coalition needs to go in and deal with them. They can't be allowed to stay. The only way any positive can come is if both nations get new, younger leaders who want to coexist
Those Arab nations are largely supportive of Hamas. More because they are anti-Israel than they are pro-Hamas.
Those Arab nations also hate and look down on Palestinians, so their fake support for Palestine is more about being anti Israel like you said.
Hamas needs to be removed, yes, but they're not a tumor; they're a virus. To quote Bassem Youssef, you don't cure a virus by hitting the patient with a sledgehammer.
I believe the israeli political leadership said they will have no responsibility for it. They did not say they won't have control over it. I fully expect them to continue the embargo forever. But just say they're not responsible for the suffering inside due to the embargo.
This is assuming they don't find some way to completely ethnically cleanse Gaza strip in the next month or two
They don't want to rule it after the war.
They are military occupying it, though, and are considering doing more than that.