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[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Landlords are not greedy. They are inherently parasitic.

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Adam Smith would agree with you.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Hot take, but it's both. I make $40k in a major american city, and while it sucks I have a decent amount saved up, I live alone, and I've paid off all my debt (although I'll probably never be able to afford a home).

To be clear, I don't think anyone should have to cut the corners I do to live with financial security, and not everyone can (my partner is disabled, financial security is a pipe dream for them), but it isn't impossible for most people.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I make $40k in a major american city

I hope you have healthcare, because that sounds terrifying.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago

I do, I actually have very good insurance and a pretty-alright 401k. My partner doesn't, and it's... brutal. They've got several serious health conditions that they just hope aren't going to kill them in the next decade or so.

Nobody should be subjected to that.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

My own mother has been talking about leaving town and rather then selling her house, her plan is to rent the house out survive off the rent she collects.

on its own that wouldnt be outrageous, if it werent for the fact my mother is extremely irresponsible with money and her lifestyle and bad habits are essentially going to be paid for by someone else.

its opened my eyes on landlords.. a lot of them dont work, and they dont even do the minimum for their tenants. they just expect to get paid.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

They now have services that are essentially landlord insurance where they will perform any service for you that needs to happen for a set price for low maintenance properties.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

So someone is renting it out. It's all supply and demand?? I don't think landlord just leave their apartment empty unless someone comes with 1600 bucks rents.

In Denver here, it's hard to find apartment and 2 bed 2 bath close to boulder is 2500 bucks minimum. But people still want to stay close to boulder rather than living on cheaper town.

I used to pay $1100 for a 3 bedroom apartment 10 years ago, now a 2 bedroom is $2600+

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (11 children)

There's a famous Agatha Christie quote where she mentions that when she was young, she never imagined she'd be rich enough to own an automobile or poor enough to not have servants in her house. At some point, the affordability of one shot way past the other.

In my lifetime, I've seen huge cost increases in housing, and huge cost decreases in most technological products. When I was a kid, the normal TV size was something like 20 inches, and cost more than a month's rent for a typical apartment. In 1990, the average rent was $447, according to this. I found a Sears catalog from 1989 with a 25 inch TV selling for $549, and a 20 inch TV for $318. It would be hard to convince someone from 1990 that one day the cheapest, shittiest apartments in the poorest neighborhoods would rent for more than a 60-inch TV per month. Or that the typical ambulance ride costs something like a month's salary of a factory worker.

That's the real problem with old people's sense of money. The human tendency is to assume that all products cost the same multiple of those products prices in their early adulthood, so the luxury products of their youth remain the luxury products of today. These old people are stuck in some kind of Agatha Christie style of cost comparison, without the self awareness, and thinking that someone who owns a cell phone should be able to afford to buy a single family detached house, or couldn't possibly be bankrupted by a single Emergency Room visit.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Having taken the point of this post as it was intended, we can also recognize that learning how to manage your money is in fact always a good thing. Will basic hygiene undo generations of economics? No, but we certainly shouldn’t NOT teach young people to manage their money.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nobody on earth has suggested we stop teaching economic literacy. We should however stop pretending it is sufficient. We require systemic change.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I wish I felt confident in that. But you can almost hear it right in this tweet. The mere suggestion of financial literacy is borderline offensive.

It’s similar to how the notion of reducing your personal environmental impact is actively shit upon these days. Say anything about it and someone will shout you down about how corporations pollute more.

It’s very similar: there are larger forces polluting the environment that make your personal behaviors insufficient to solve the problem.

All true.

But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do what you can personally.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I paid $750 for a 2br 30 years ago. I pay $850 for a 3br now. I used to live outside San Francisco, now I'm in Ohio.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not living in Ohio is worth at least $1k a month, so that tracks.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah places with really low rents, there's always a reason. But sometimes it's still an option.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Ha, I was just being snarky. I've never liked the few parts of Ohio I've been at, but I'm guessing there are some good places there.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 11 hours ago

Honestly there are some beautiful and amazing places in Ohio and some places you don't even want to be on accident. I have a friend who is a civil engineer, his college was funded by Youngstown on the condition he worked there for five years after he graduated. A group of friends were going on a motorcycle trip to Maine and we met at his place for the first night. I was running out of gas as we got into Youngstown but the group wanted to go to a Shell for fuel so I coasted in on fumes. While we were filling our bikes seven people were screaming at each other and it broke out into a full-out brawl. I was worried about knives or guns coming out but we were done so we just burned the hell out of that place. I would bet you can still find a house in Youngstown for under $100k.

[–] CulturedLout@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

We had to give up entirely on affording a house. There are ROOMS for rent at $1200 here. This used to be a low COL area until COVID. We had low infection rates so a ton of people moved here and we don't have the infrastructure to support them. We've been priced out of what living space we did have and since there's still the illusion it's cheap to live here, it's almost impossible to get a living wage.

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