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Germany's spy agency BfV has labeled the entirety of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party as an extremist entity.

The BfV domestic intelligence agency, which is in charge of safeguarding Germany's constitutional order, said the announcement comes after an "intense and comprehensive" examination.

"The ethnicity-and ancestry-based conception of the people that predominates within the party is not compatible with the free democratic order," the BfV said on Friday.

Hopefully this inspires the other parties to to start the process to see the AfD banned. I know the report might not look like much, because of how obvious the findings are. But previous attempts at banning them have failed because such an official report was missing. So maybe our political system starts getting its shit together.

As we say in Germany: Hope dies last

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[–] andybytes@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Yet the neolibs are not good for the working class. We all got a long road ahead of us. Is everybody ready for conscription and ww3.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

“The ethnicity-and ancestry-based conception of the people that predominates within the party is not compatible with the free democratic order,” the BfV said on Friday.

Pretty much the entirety of the German political mainstream is right now "unwaveringly supporting" a fascist regime commiting an extreme Genocide in Gaza, and that support has been very openly because of the ethnicity the murderers claim to represent, or in other words, due to "ethnicity-and ancestry-based conceptions".

Normalize race as an excuse to support no matter what those commiting the most atrocious of actions and all that it takes is to add "if it applies to them, then surely it applies to us" to that normalized racism to get something like the ideology of the AfD.

German politicians have long been plowing and fertilizing the field from which the AfD sprouted with great vigour.

This right now is just hypocrisy: the AfD is but the tip of the iceberg which is the view in Germany that the way people are treated should depend on their race and even the most horrible of deeds are excusable if one's race is the right one.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It's a pickle. The unwavering support is for Israel and its existence, not for the fascist regime or the genocide. Germany sent multiple sternly worded letters regarding the latter.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the support was for Jewish safety or the safety of Israel as a state they would work for it to return into its 1967 borders and start making ammends to all the people they wronged. Germany could support this even by raising a special tax to help Israel finance the compensation of its victims as Germany is also responsible for the formation of Israel.

They wont do any of this. They dont care for Jewish safety. Jews that are dissenting the German state ideology get repressed in Germany. They care for claiming that supporting Israel absolves them from all responsibility and to shift the blame for antisemitism in Germany and the world onto Arabs.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If the support was for Jewish safety or the safety of Israel as a state they would work for it to return into its 1967 borders and start making ammends to all the people they wronged.

That's pretty much the German position: The annexations and settlements outside of 1967 Israel are illegal.

Jews that are dissenting the German state ideology get repressed in Germany.

It's more complicated than that because those people aren't dissenting from the German position, see the link above. They're just being way more blunt about it. More correct would be "Jews who are dissenting from whatever the Jüdische Allgemeine writes", i.e. Zionist apologia. I think the technical term for the political situation is "clusterfuck".

[–] head_socj@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're conflating political ideologies of radical groups with a false narrative that the entirety of Germany is inherently racist, and therefore irredeemable. I don't disagree with your points regarding genocide in Gaza, but you're also racist AF.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

From my own post

the entirety of the German political mainstream

and

German politicians

Please point out exactly were I am making statements about "Germans" in general

If when you read such a post what you see is criticism of those never mentioned in it - "Germans" - rather than criticism of those repeatedly mention there - "German politicians" - then the Racist As Fuck part is coming from your side.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This right now is just hypocrisy: the AfD is but the tip of the iceberg which is the view in Germany that the way people are treated should depend on their race and even the most horrible of deeds are excusable if one's race is the right one.

You may have intended this as not targetting Germany as a whole, but saying "the view in Germany" is to be first interpreted as "the view all of Germany holds".

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That view is literally "in Germany" and is certainly widespread (if you count both people who support the AfD and people who support the mainstream's party take on Israel), because it's literally "in Germany" that politicians and a segment of the press have been spreading as "normal" to support or not of people based on their race.

It's kinda the whole point of my post that if you spread and normalize Racist takes on other people you're cultivating Racism and hence get lots of Racists, and that's exactly what's happening in Germany (and the US, and Israel, to name just a few other supposed Democracies were this shit should not be happening).

Now, if you think the political and press environment in Germany spreading Racist views on human beings I something that reflects poorly on Germans, that's all you.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with you that the the sentence "the view in Germany" could be interpreted as "one view in Germany" (the one you were talking about before in this case). But calling it "the" instead of "this" gives it a very universal tone that may lead a lot of people (including me at first read) to intepret this as "the one and only view in Germany".

Ofc fascising medias and politics have an influence on people in Germany (and thz opposite is also true, its a vicious cycle), and ofc there are a lot of different opinions, some fascists, some antifascists, in a country with tens of millions of people, i think we both agree on that.

I think people, including me, reacted relatively vigorously to the wording of your post (and not its meaning) because a confusion between Nazis and Germans have been observed a lot after WWII, and it's something we (at least I) try to fight.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

If I passed that impression, I'm sorry.

I'm well aware that plenty of people in Germany are fighting Far-Right extremist in all its forms, both at home and abroad and I definitely don't think of Germans as "all the same" (if I did I would be a massive hypocrite) - as with everybody else Germans come in all sorts, good, bad and everything in between: so is human nature.

What I see is a political and press environment in Germany (and, as I said, I see similar things in other countries) spreading a way of thinking about other people which is the same that the far-right has, hence in my view it's indirectly boosting the far-right in that country partly by confirming to people who already thought like that, that it's fine to think so, and partly by teaching others to think like that.

This is not a German thing: the same kind of environment anywhere else would have the same result.

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