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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Such an infuriating article. Our country treats domestic violence like a joke and the smallest bit of political power like an impenetrable shield.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more that policing is localized. In a situation like this the FBI will probably get involved

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It still amazes me that your public safety agencies (police, fire and ambulance) are city based, not state based. Is there a compelling reason for that?

[–] LeadSoldier@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Our police come from organizations that were used to round up slaves. There is less logic to this and more historic leftovers.

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Agreeing with two other sub-comments before mine, I also want to add that to some degree it's similar to the awful reason why the U.S. runs its schools with localized school districts. So that residents of more affluent areas receive more extensive services.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The size of some states like Alaska and lack of resources, not money but people and material required to do the job is either unrealistic or unsustainable. For example, Alaska is the size of Europe but has the population of Iceland. Imagine if you had a job that had you fly out to Romania (either you stay for a month to finish the investigation or travel back and forth each weekend) and then when that case is over you fly out to Normandy for another case. Then fly out to Estonia after that. The distances mean that you, the detective, would have no life except wading through the worst part of humanity. No wife, no family, a home that would sit empty (if you had a permanent residence at all).

And basic policing? The only way to enforce such a huge area and not bankrupt a nation from travel fees would be to have the police live where they patrol. And if they live where they work, you now have community based jurisdictions. Some places are too big for a unified approach and smaller actions that report to a larger body is really the only what that would work - and it's how the US does policing.

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

In Australia we have state based policing and the police live where they work. We have local police stations but the money and equipment come from state taxes. And our states are bigger than yours, WA is almost 1,000,000 km² larger than Alaska, and most of our states have much lower populations and population densities than yours. It can work, which is why I asked.

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

We do have state police. We just also have city police, county police, federal police. They are all seperate and depending on the crime committed different ones will get involved. City or county police will handle your typical day to day policing. State and federal police get involved if the crime crosses county/state lines, happened specifically on state/federal property, or if the county/city police don't have the resources to deal with it. In theory this means that the higher policing jurisdictions provide oversight over the lower ones and the lower ones can provide more focused efforts onto their specific areas that the higher jurisdictions wouldn't be able to do. In practice though a cop is a cop and they all cover for each others crimes/inadequacies.

[–] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do have them though. The US has State Troopers, regional and state Fire Marshalls, state owned healthcare agencies, state operated hospitals, and state operated EMS services.

Here's a few examples:

  • New York State Police
  • California Highway Patrol
  • Florida State Fire Marshall's Office
  • Washington Department of Public Health
  • Patton State Hospital (run by California State)
  • Virginia Office of Emergency Medical Services
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. I think it’s also important to remind people outside the US just how big it is, landmass wise. Germany is smaller than Montana. About 26 Montanas can fit into the US, area wise. So a federally run police force would need to cover more than 26 times the square footage of Germany. State, and then local groups just make more sense at that scale

[–] Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I fully agree. Places like Montana also have quite a few indigenous nations within them that have their own public services and operations. So I'd argue it would impose an even greater imbalance of powers if there was one gigantic police force that all the other smaller independent police forces were required to work with.

I know as an American I'm propagandized towards believing that a proper balance of powers will "fix" things (as in the 3 branches of government), though in this case I believe it's true.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

My state has city, county, state police and even special police for some agencies.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

We have both, technically all 4.

Police are often city, not always but often. (Cities like Kansas City had their police captured by the state and no one likes it)

Sheriff's are county

Highway patrol/state troopers are state

The three letter agencies are all federal.

Due to unique internal limited sovereignity there is some overlap between all of them but generally speaking that's how it works.

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Practically speaking most rural policing of import is accomplished by state officers in Alaska.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So at what point do people in areas so corrupt that the mayor's sons are able to murder blatantly and with impunity muster up a posse to take care of it themselves?

People should lose the protection of the social contract of law when it stops applying to them.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ask the folks in Skidmore, Missouri.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My wife grew up in this town. Unfortunately incest, statutory rape, and domestic violence is rampant and it's partially due to cultural norms of the Inupiaq.

[–] sensualsunset@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Confused, are you saying domestic violence and statutory rape are just cultural norms? How could that possibly be blamed on anything other than colonialism...

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because before colonialism that was their normal way of life.