Your bank wanrs proton?

Fun fact: Fascism is not thinking republicans will do better than democrats in pursuing antitrust battles against big tech for the benefit of smaller businesses.

Please don't use this word at random, plenty of people in my country (and many others) died fighting fascism.

I also think labels are the right way to organise emails. It was pretty unique at the time, and I think it still isn't common.

And frankly, I like gmail's interface more than Thunderbird's, for example.

As someone who hosts their own email server and uses Gmail, I can tell you the biggest feature they offer that I have trouble replicating is labels.

Those in the know are probably familiar that labels are essentially special IMAP folders. The challenge I've had is making these folders work well, finding a mail client (both web based and app based) that works with it, and is easy to manage.

My last attempt to get this to work was setting up a DocumentDB database where the labels were metadata and they were then looked up by Courier IMAP. But it didn't work well.

I've been looking into this problem for over 10 years and it kills me that this simple feature is important enough to keep my personal email in Google.

It's ridiculous how user data has become such a big commodity.

You mean to say that if a service or product is free, we are the product?

Used it for years now, 100% worth the money and the bundled cloud storage and vpn are both great.

I'd say yes. Have been using ProtonMail as main mail service for several years now. There are some limitations because of encryption, but for the most part it's working almost the same as GMail. I've had Tutamail too, but I too didn't like the design of their app, it was very restricted and lacked features of almost any kind.

I think their new (not so new anymore) mobile app has been a major improvement. It is much faster and usable IMHO. This on Android (degoogled).

I am quite happy with the service, and so is my family (non-techie).

Sadly, that is true for many email providers. I do use Tuta, because I use web apps only. However, a decent provider is Disroot. You do have to set up the encryption things by yourself, but IIRC, you can use any desktop/mobile/whatever client you want to.

Generally you can do it from settings with automatic forwarding feature.

See this article for actual instructions.

Consider that:

• this means google will know your new email address
• obviously google will keep accessing your data

For the first point, Proton migration tool (from gmail) works flawlessly and doesn't disclose your new address (plus it moves all your previous emails). I didn't try similar tools for other vendors but I am sure they have similar options.

For me it took months to get the bulk of the services moved over, I added a label to all emails forwarded and I periodically reviewed them. It's a perfect occasion to change password or delete the account.

When I switched from Gmail to Mailbox.org, they had a migration to transfer all my existing data over.

From there, you can either set up gmail to forward emails to your new address.

Or you can use your new service to pull email from Gmail.

Either way is easy to do.

Congrats on wanting to make the switch!

Proton literally does it as part of the signup process, you just log in and it does it for you

I send all of mine to a specific folder I can check later

Does mark look like a smart person to you?

Did you read the title the wrong way round? Or should I read the article?

Some food for thought, (excerpt from Louis Rossmann's reply to the top pinned comment):

"with regards to products: if you want to only buy shoes, razors, cars, caulking materials, etc, made by companies & people who support all of your political beliefs, you're going to lose that game very fast. you will waste your life doing the following:

1. researching every item you buy to death
2. making these items yourself once you realize it's impossible to find each item you want made by someone who mirrors your ideology
3. give up & live in a cave

The moment you go down that road of throwing away software products and services because they are made by people whose political beliefs do not reflect yours, you are going to end up living in a cave. That is a lonely world. It doesn't even work!! People who bought the Tesla Model 3 a few years ago would have Ford F-250 Turbo Diesel drivers speed up in front of them and roll coal in their face. And now that same person is getting called a Nazi!!!

the political beliefs of the software i use are irrelevant to me. They only become relevant when these questions arise:

1. does it stop me from using the software the way i want?
2. do their political beliefs keep them from being able to make a functioning product?

for gnome, #2 is yes. gnome was bad 10 years ago,it was bad 5 years ago, and it's bad now. i used gnome for a very short time period earlier in 2024 out of morbid curiosity. my machine had 128 gigabytes of ram, rtx-2080, threadripper 2950x processor and gnome still lagged. XFCE just worked! on top of that, gnome sucked to use. i am not using gnome: whether it's "woke" or "anti woke" or whatever else.

if we're at a point in the world where we choose our web browser by the political views of its programmers... we're screwed"