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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 157 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why is it never the other way around? I’m sick of EULA updates silently enrolling me into things i never asked for

As Louis Rossmann likes to say, this is a rapist mentality.

Ask for forgiveness instead of permission.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They are asking for legal trouble anyway, at least in Europe

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And we’ll just watch them either get slapped by an insignificant fine, or watch them weasel their way out of this again, by claiming they made you agree to some perpetual abandonment of rights, like they always do

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago

Or pay a fine of half a billion or so, but only 15 years later

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Plus the options are frequently hidden and unclear.

I thought disabling One Drive on my Windows machine would keep it from syncing to the cloud. Nope, it just changed where the files were stored but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn't running.

In the case of google, I assume that turning off the Gemini bullshit doesn't have any impact on it copying all the content to their servers even if you don't see it happening.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn't running.

I don't understand why users and our justice system let them get away with this. This is malicious. Your operating system is literally literally malware. It does not respect your choices and it steals your information.

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[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A single message now generates 20 different summaries and analyses, requiring a rack of GPUs and a diesel generator.

We're so lucky that electricity is unlimited and free, otherwise it might've caused a serious problem.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 59 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Most email is short. I don't see a need to summarize it. Google is run by idiots and assholes.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ai will write complicated long mails, you'll need an Ai to summarise it

If an email needs to be summarized, I'm not going to read it anyway.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eat more AI! We’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on this fucking garbage, so EAT IT! Yeah! It’s in your email! It’s in your car! IT’S IN YOUR TEETH (launch date: Q2 2026)!

[–] glaber@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

You jest, but I've already seen "AI-powered" toothbrushes on shelves. Let's give even more health data to corporate giants!

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You go ahead and waste resources on summarizing the 200 emails a day in my spam account, you fucking morons.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How the hell can they even afford that?! There are so many Gmail users and so many emails a second and Gemini will summarize them all? That sounds so expensive and like a waste of resources

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is, but the bubble mustn't burst or the grifters will stop making money selling "the end of skilled labor" to braindead capitalists.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Google makes a lot of money, and summarising stuff uses a surprisingly small amount of energy. You can do it trivially on-device on a laptop and on plenty of phones.

When it comes to LLMs, training the models is generally the thing that requires ridiculous amounts of energy.

This is dumb as fuck, though. I don't want Google's LLM to miss out critical details in my emails. That shit could be important. If people want this they should opt in.

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[–] manxu@piefed.social 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so weird that we have to go through hoops and loops to get rid of this stuff! I was sick of my Android responding to a long press of the power button, meant to shut it down, with a Gemini prompt. Took me an hour to figure out I can't get rid of the function, but I can switch back (for now) to old style Google Assistant.

If you have to force functionality down your users' throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost. Gemini is Google's Clippy, just less iconic and more also-ran.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago

If you have to force functionality down your users' throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost.

As much as I'd like to think so, they're not stupid, they know what they're doing. They cram it in your face to make sure you know it's there. And most people don't care.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unless I opt out of Gmail? Yep, already done.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)
  1. buy domain

  2. buy hosting

  3. get email

  4. use thunderbird

[–] mrpres@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Would having aliases be a good way to bypass when a website denies your emails from your domain (which is known occurrence for who self-hosts their own email system)?

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[–] sic_semper_tyrannis 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More opt outs... Everyone, just opt out of big tech

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We should opt into little tech. A guy in Venezuela just trying to buy a couple days food will read your email and summarize it for you!

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[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ok this is the first step where I feel an actual urge to look for Gmail alternatives. (Been a Gmail user since like 2007.) I'm a desktop-only Gmail user, but I can see where this is going... :/ Also heavy user of Google Drive and Sheets, so it's going to be annoying if I have to replace all of them :/

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[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

So this is why I got an email that was completely wrong.

I told a guy I used to work for that I moved and it’s the perfect place to help him and his company.

He replied that he hopes I found a house where I used to live.

wtf it’s like he never read the email at all, now that this AI trash was added, the email makes sense.

I guess he is fucked and doesn’t get the help he needs for his company.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (13 children)

In reply to all of the complaints here: I've never seen anything about Gemini on my Graphene OS device. 🤷‍♂️

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But your recipient uses it.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Exactly.

Communication with people is hard enough already without an LLM deciding what parts are important.

Idiots using LLMs to write emails to people using LLMs to summarise them. It's just slop all the way down.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cool, how do I disable this shit feature?

[–] donalonzo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Stop using the shit service.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Turned off by default in EEA, UK, Japan and Switzerland, for anyone interested (had to login to find out).

[–] mrpres@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

Anyone wondering what they have in common: EU (i know its not the same as EEA, there are countries like Iceland non-member of EU but part of EEA and they have their own GDPR through their own Private Act) has GDPR, Japan has APPI, UK has UK-GDPR, Switzerland has FADP

Whats intriguing is that Canada has DCIA and Brazil has LGPD and I don't see it being mentioned to be turned off by default in either countries

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Why would you use Gmail in the first place?

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[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago (20 children)

That's ok :) All my important mails go to proton

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

End users: To access Gemini summary cards, users need to have smart features and personalization smart features in Gmail, Chat, and Meet and smart features in Google Workspace turned on. Visit the Help Center to learn more about collaborating with Gemini in Gmail.

Sounds like it's an opt in, what am I missing

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

FWIW I use Fastmail and it works great.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And that's why I set up forwarding from Gmail and Outlook to my new Tuta account.

In a few months I should be free, happily paying for EU alternative were the default swipe gesture stands for delete instead of archive.

[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Forwarding in itself doesn’t do shit as they still have your mail

But yea if you want to avoid Google's website that’s nice I guess

I would also use a mail alias service so you get more privacy and can switch mail host whenever you want

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