Is anyone else wondering how these videos are becoming public? It seems weird to have this type of thing leak. I hope that it doesn't force any issues with using this testimony in court.
this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2023
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These videos are several weeks old or more, but were recently handed over to defense legal team as part of discovery.
That’s what we do know. Who leaked them after that we don’t know.
From my understanding, these videos contain no actual evidence of 45 committing or ordering wrongdoing. It also looks like these are clips of longer interviews. So my assumption is that someone got a hold of these videos and audio clips and edited them to make it seem like each of these people had nothing worthwhile to say in their statements, then released them.
I believe this because leaking these videos can only hurt the prosecution, particularly if nothing they're saying is inculpatory. Then conservative media outlets can run chyrons "BIG "GET" BY LOONY DA FANI A BUST!" and let the talking heads run wild on it. Then GA's DA office is then faced with a problem: do you say nothing and let people keep believing that there's nothing(which can corrode public opinion in the case which can be devastating) or possibly break confidentiality agreements with the snitches and publish what they actually said?
Who benefits from this info being out in the open? If nothing they said in these recordings fingers 45 on criminal actions, then it's not the prosecution. From where I and all other US citizens sit it sounds like these useless clowns got sweetheart deals to give almost no useful information. Hopefully this is all just some psych op from the extreme right or Russia/China/whoever they're in league with this year, and there's more info that these clowns gave in their deposition that's not included in these recordings.
Someone else made the point that these videos were recently released to the defense as part of discovery. I wonder if they were smart enough to watermark the video. If it can be proven that the videos that were released were edited from files that were directly given to defense lawyers, then I expect those lawyers are in for a world of hurt.
Maybe they are expecting to be pardoned in the next administration, though.
I don't think watermarking would be helpful. If you're the prosecution and you hand over watermarked evidence, but also want to leak evidence to the public, then you'd almost certainly use the version you watermarked. As we saw with the SCOTUS leaks, it's really hard to detect the source of court leaks.
But I don't think this helps the prosecution at all, in fact it may hinder being able to being this evidence at trial. And doesn't all this discovery material need to be kept secret? The court should be very motivated to find out where this leak came from. If they can't plug it, then this won't be the last leak, and there will be no way to hold a fair trial.
It's probably a leak by the people who MADE the video. I think they are telegraphing to Trump how boned he is.
Seems more likely to me that these were leaked by the Trump team to try and force an appeal until after the election, by which time he'll have presidential immunity to prosecution.
A proffer wouldn't be made available to Trumps team. I don't think. A proffer would be between a defendant and the prosecution to arrive at some sort of plea deal. Once a deal is arranged, the facts/evidence mentioned in the proffer would be made available to Trump during discovery.
It was my understanding that this was in the evidence that was handed over.
Prosecutors said the footage was turned over to the remaining defendants as part of discovery, urging the court to impose restrictions on how the defendants can disclose the materials.
Of course Trump's people "leaked" this. Now he can campaign on how they have nothing and even the videos show it.
I honestly believe he is grabbing all the money he can before heading to Russia for good.
Wtf are you talking about? A video that's part of plea deal is nothing?
Basically only portions of the interviews were released. What is in what was released is not great for Trump, but there's nothing terrible for him in there. This suggests they were leaked by the defense who recently obtained the videos. The thought is since it's just a portion of these videos, that the parts that were not leaked have more damning info on Trump. It wouldn't have made sense for the prosecutor to have accepted very nice plea deals if all that's in these shortened videos is what they were giving them. But they're confidential, prosecution can't discuss what's in them until the trial, so we won't know for sure until then.
Oh I'm sure there is some really damning stuff on there but this part looks like nothing. Hence why they released this part only. I say release the whole thing. Maybe we will get some "lumpy pillow" rants out of it.
I hope there is much more that these people have for their proffer than what is here, because cutting a deal on this is weak
They presumably cut the deal so they wouldn't have to show their case to the other defendants months ahead of time. The proffer offer is a bonus.
This is what I think the CO should be focusing on rather than allusions Trump made during his speech. They have to prove intent. There are mountains of evidence along the way to develop a case for specific intent in the CO prosecution and it feels like they're taking the weakest route. Evidence like these and others 'along the way' to the January 6th are far stronger than the nuances of what he said in the day of and how it might be interpreted. It's just not at all a way to an air tight strategy. Whereas with the GA evidence, it's almost kick and key around 'specific intent'. Like something in writing or a recording would be better, but his lawyers plea bargain testimony is pretty f'ing alright.