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Does warmer mean temperature? Color? Something else?

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[–] Maddie@sh.itjust.works 179 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"Please select all images which evoke melancholy as opposed to existential dread."

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

"choose the roads that fill you with ennui moreso than the avenues that give you a sense of listless"

[–] burntbutterbiscuits@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s like, your opinion man

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 93 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how so many of these images meant to fool bots are literally generated by AI

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because their real purpose is to train the bots. The captcha features are just there to get us to use it.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's more complicated than that. Only 2 or 3 images are meant to train AI, the rest are meant to establish whether you're human enough that AI can learn from you.

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (4 children)

That's also only partially true. Most of the human detection is done by collecting metadata about your browser and how you interact with the widgets.

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[–] Drusas@kbin.social 60 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd be with you if it weren't so obvious.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Doesn’t look like anything to me.

[–] lwuy9v5@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I assume this just means "pick inside" without saying it directly. The sample photo is of an inside space. No? The two in the middle row, I assume, are the "correct" answer.

Often the correct answer is only half the puzzle - how you answer (mouse movement) also can be to determine things

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

No, there's far more depth to that. The goal isn't for you to prove yourself human, the goal is to teach an AI how to "think more human".

1, 2 and 7 are obviously cold. They're oustide, with no "warm" colour lighting.

3 and 6 are both green houses, the green house could be considered "warm", but 3 has light on the inside. This is perhaps a test against AI readers. To a human, they both seem warm inside, but an AI might differentiate based on the lighting.

9 is a dark brown house, but 8 is a light brown house that is illuminated by external lighting. This contrasts with 3 and 6, because 6 has external lighting but it does not illuminate much.

4 and 5 are both internal shots. 4 is light and airy, meanwhile 5 is a bit more grey - but then, grey is the fashion these days.


All in all this is a bullshit test made up by bullshit people looking to get a bullshit result, with which they hope to make money off of.

You're working to help them make more money, meanwhile they don't pay you for your labor. They also collect data from your connection to their servers - as well as the website you're trying to access, you will almost certainly be connecting to at least 2 other servers to deliver this hcaptcha, and thanks to cooperation with the website host hcaptcha will triangulate the internet routing and fingerprinting information to attain a significantly accurate identification of you as an indvidual (which they will then consolidate with whatever other information they have).

Much like a disgruntled worker might "phone it in", or work within the requirements of their paid employment, or "quiet quit"; you should limit and perhaps even poison the output you give in proportion to what you're being paid for your labor.

The goal isn't to satisfy captcha, the goal is to get passed it while giving as little commercial value as they compensate you for.

Your data has value. If it didn't, then Facebook and Google wouldn't be amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. You own the value they establish themselves with, they just claim a license.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you're wondering why does it seem so strange, it's because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it's asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

OK, but that doesn't explain why anybody thinks that this is good UX.

[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

There's an example at the top along with the instructions.

This ain't exactly the Mississippi.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Great, now they expect you to be thinking about lighting temperature terms. People who don’t do photography or haven’t read light bulb boxes won’t know wtf this means.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They could easily mean ambient temperature.

[–] sdoorex@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The example shows an interior room which would indeed be warmer. There are two which could be what they want you to select.

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[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Don't overthink it. Just select the interior ones.

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[–] RaineV1@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the two that aren't outside in the snow.

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Is it the one that's on fire?

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's the "of one type" that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.

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[–] BustinJiber@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

That's exactly what the model is trying to learn.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Whole lot of AIs in this thread.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

Go home, robot, you're drunk

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.

Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.

Edit: To be clear, I think those answers would be most likely to almost seem correct to an alrgorithm, but actually break their objective for training.

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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago

I always click randomly on the first 2 attempts to mislead the AI. Hopefully you did the same, and when the robots come to kill us the grease will freeze up and they won't be able to move.

[–] Zink@pawb.social 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why the hell are these needed

[–] Cheesus@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yep, in this case they're trying to train an AI on more abstract or "human" characteristics like whether or not something appears warm. That's what these kinds of captchas are doing though, they're outsourcing AI training.

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[–] nul@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

You have to touch the screen. The one thing bots can't do.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wait until it has us picking between Good images and Bad ones, to train the AI

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That is exactly what this is.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

"Please select all targets that should be shot before they have a chance to get away."

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