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‘Eurowings should be ashamed of how they handled this situation,’ says passenger

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[–] Moghul@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One thing in advance: Leah Williams was not forced to buy all packages of peanuts on board – on the contrary, our purser tried to offer her an alternative solution by informing all passengers sitting around her about Leah’s allergy. She agreed at first but then decided to still buy all the packages.

The airline says it is “unable to guarantee that the aircraft is free of foodstuffs that may trigger an allergic reaction, such as peanuts”, because passengers are allowed to bring their own food onboard.

I feel bad for her but I have to wonder, how does this person function on a day to day basis? If their allergy is so severe that other people eating peanuts around her would harm her, how does she leave the house? How did she navigate the airport?

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Peanuts are not ubiquitous in public. Being near several people eating them in a fairly enclosed space is very different than walking through and airport and someone 25 feet away has a bag of peanuts.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

The air within an airplane cabin is recirculated every five or ten minutes. A real severe peanut allergy would be triggered by anyone on the plane eating peanuts.

[–] Moghul@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I had that thought too but if this were the case, would you take a life threatening risk that no one else on the plane has peanuts? Wouldn't you drive instead? Or take a means of public transportation where they don't regularly sell your allergen?

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

That's not necessarily feasible. Maybe she has a schedule? Doesn't have a car? Doesn't have a license?

Also, some reactions are uncomfortable but not deadly. I have an anaphylactic allergy to tree nuts, as in, all true nuts (as peanuts are a legume, i'm fine with them). However, I've never had an anaphylactic reaction, though I was prescribed an EpiPen and told it could become worse with no warning. I get oral itchiness, stinging lips and mouth, heartburn, acid reflux, and diarrhea from actually eating nuts. I'm not sure what it is like for people who are sensitive to the airborne level. It might just resemb le environmental allergies like sneezing, red eyes and so forth. And if you do have to use an EpiPen, it's painful to inject and then you have to go to the hospital afterwards. Not certain death, again, but uncomfortable and inconvenient.

[–] unwellsnail@artemis.camp 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I imagine she navigated those things with great difficulty and made the best decisions she could. She, like any other person with a medical condition or disability, exists in a world that usually will be hostile to her survival. Yet she must still exist within it. Sometimes people have to do things like take flights and rarely can someone afford to take measures that would best protect them (like a private flight or something in this case). Sounds like she didn't want to announce her private medical information to everyone around her so she did what she could to keep safe, buy all the peanuts. Ideally she wouldn't have to, peanut allergies are pretty well known and if we cared about increasing access for people not having peanuts for sale on planes is a pretty simple step. Until then people will keep being put into scenarios like this then scrutinized for the choices they make.

[–] TheAndrewBrown@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

She claims she offered to tell the people around her not to buy them but the airline refused. The airline says they had agreed to do that but she decided to buy them all anyway. So it wasn’t about giving up private medical information (which wouldn’t make much sense anyway since she announced it to the world through this article). There’s also the fact that you’re very rarely “forced” to fly anywhere, especially in Europe. I just checked Google Maps and a flight from London to Düsseldorf is a little over an hour. There are train options for about 5 and half hours. That’s obviously a pretty big difference, but definitely workable if the allergy is really that severe. There’s also the fact she could’ve called ahead of time and asked about options instead of trying to strongarm the flight attendants into doing what she wanted.

And yeah, it wouldn’t be that difficult to not sell peanuts but that’s not the only thing people are allergic too. Unless they were going to not sell any snacks and not allow any outside food, it’d be impossible to prevent all allergens. That’s one of those things that the only possible solution is the person with the disorder to do their best to mitigate exposure, which means making sacrifices like taken a few trains for 6 hours instead of a convenient flight. There’s lots of people that due to various restrictions can’t always take the most convenient option.

[–] Moghul@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

She did actually agree to have that information shared with the other passengers and then still bought all the peanuts. I'm not saying she's faking her allergy or something, I'm trying to wrap my head around her train of thought here. You can also take a car, a train, a bus, all means of transportation where the transport company doesn't sell you peanuts. Yeah it's less convenient but shit man, it won't kill you.

Ideally she wouldn’t have to, peanut allergies are pretty well known and if we cared about increasing access for people not having peanuts for sale on planes is a pretty simple step

100% agree with this though

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A quick bit of googling indicates this was probably an Airbus 320 which another Google shows is about 123 feet long. Being generous and allowing 20 foot for cabin, loos, etc, does this mean her whole life she's never been within 100 foot of any nut?

[–] Moghul@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I guess I sort of understand, this is an enclosed space with recycled AC, but it just seems unlikely that if it was this severe she'd take a life threatening risk like this. Right?

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Seems like this is something that should be brought up at the time you buy a ticket so the company can either say, we won't stock them on the flight or offer her a refund if they can't accommodate, rather than when the plane has already boarded and expecting the flight crew to deal with it.

[–] Blackdoomax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why others should not eat peanuts? In case they wanted to spit on her?

[–] SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the process of eating is not as straightforward as it seems. while manipulating food and chewing it, you do release tiny microscopic particles of it (especially true for something that has the consistency of peanuts) that end up floating in the air. somebody with high enough sensitivity will be affected, as one single strand of the protein responsible (or a single fragment) can trigger anaphylactic shock

edit: I stand corrected, somebody below has linked some studies done on this and it appears to be more about surface contamination, not air exposure. But then if it's surface contamination, that would be an issue from the previous passengers on the flight, not the current ones I think?

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

It's both, but more so for the current passengers. While not thorough, they do clean the planes between flights, about as well as they clean movie theatres between viewings, maybe a bit better.

With previous occupants, the damage is done, nothing can change the fact that they might have contaminated an area that wasn't properly cleaned, but limiting additional contamination is the only mitigation available for this lady, besides traveling in an N95, wearing gloves and other PPE, which may be a better option than buying up all the offending material.

I can sympathize with her plight, but I understand that not everyone will; and asking people to be cautious of their surface contamination... Well, you might as well ask them to will themselves through the air to their destination unaided by any machine. IMO, most average people don't understand surface contamination, and by proxy, won't participate in such restrictions. It's not something that most people need to, or choose to think about.

I don't begrudge the person for doing what they did, they have a medical issue that nobody took seriously enough. I get it, but I'm sure more than a few passengers were salty about not being able to get peanuts... No pun in tended.

There's also the contamination of the flight assistants, someone eating peanuts and having a beverage, contaminates the beverage container with peanut oil, which is collected by the attendant, whose hands are now contaminated, even if they ate no peanuts, who then serves the person with severe allergies, contaminating their food or beverages with the peanut oils, causing them to have a anaphylactic reaction, and potentially die as a result.

Exposure through a chain of contacts is hard to trace sometimes and for the most part, people don't think about these things. I know that after COVID, I do what I can to touch as little as possible in public places. I don't want your germs, or the cold, or the flu, or COVID, or anything else the random strangers that previously came through may have had and transferred to whatever I'm touching. No thanks.