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Nearly half of Americans say tipping has ‘gotten out of control’ (www.independent.co.uk)
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With those tipping screens now seemingly everywhere, Americans think that the practice has “gotten out of control,” according to a new survey.

At least 63 percent of US residents now having a negative view of tipping, up from 59 percent last year, according to Bankrate, a financial publisher and comparison service.

Yet, the number of Americans who have gotten used to tipping has gone up since the COVID-19 pandemic, when it slipped. There have not been significant declines in tips for service providers, the survey noted, particularly for hairdressers and restaurant servers.

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[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So for my 2¢: I'm a massage therapist. I went to school and pay for continuing education and licensing, and that's not even considering insurance or a lease if you have your own practice. I rightfully should be making quite a bit more than minimum wage. Most places will put up job listings with a number around $45/hr, but they don't mention that this is calculating with the average tip that's almost always shorting what you'll actually make.

My industry has been a tipped industry for a very long time and the tipping fatigue hurts. We have MORE shit we need to pay for on our own but people who have never gotten a massage see the prompt for a tip and don't realize that's been the norm for massage since fuckin EVERYWHERE asks you for a tip.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Time to demand a living wage.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Tip for fellow Americans: tip with cash because owners frequently steal digital tips. Inb4 "that's illegal!" Yup, wage theft is the biggest type of theft.

[–] pepsi_not_coke@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why are we never tough on this crime?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

The capital class sees it as impossible to prosecute because the violence is alienated and the working class is seen as less than human.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago

I’ll tip on my card so everyone pays for their share fairly.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 14 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I just stopping tipping full-stop.

Tipping culture needs to die.

[–] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I tip when there is actual service. Deliver my pizza so I don't have to drive out to get it? Sure, I'll tip. Making sure I have enough napkins and my coffee is kept topped up? Absolutely there's a tip. Making the food and handing it to me at the counter? That's not service, that's just giving me what I paid for, so no tip.

It would be nice if tipping went away for the service jobs at well and they were paid a proper wage, but that isn't happening any time soon. Long term changes can't sacrifice short term needs to the point where there is no long term left to change, and waiters need to eat.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Are you able to give me better or worse service in the future. Tip.

Otherwise, no tip.

[–] RockstarSunglasses@lemmy.world -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you don't ever go out for food/drinks if that's your mindset.

[–] wondrous_strange@lemmy.world 40 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Have never worked a job that earned me tips, but it seems to me that everyone who holds a full time job should not be required to rely on kindness of strangers for their livelyhood.

Regulations should be such that they mandate all employers to pay a liviable wage.

If that causes places to shutdown, let them greedy bastards shutdown. The market will correct itself.

Continuing as it is today is bad for everyone but the employers and capitalists.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

It’s not kindness anymore. It’s peer pressure. That’s why people hate it. If it was true kindness then it would be totally private: i.e. you’d decide whether or not to tip the next day when you’re at home alone, with no one watching.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 7 points 11 hours ago

The argument told to useful idiots is that servers are encouraged to work harder when they rely on tips.

For the rest of us that aren't dumbasses, we can see that if a server isn't doing their job properly, then they can be fired and replaced.

We can also recognize all the servers that bend over backwards and end up getting no tips or something very small.

As usual, tipping culture only exists because stupid Americans have been conditioned to work against their own interests.

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Same in Canada. Is that meal (like, a burger with fries lol) really 35$? Nah, add 15% for taxes, and at least another 15% for tips. But be warned, at 15% they might just throw it in your face. And don't you dare leave under 2$ on that 20$ beer, do you think that botte got open by itself?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Dont they get paid minimum wage in Canada tho? I don't get it

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 10 hours ago

People can't handle the social pressure from the service workers and their owners

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

So fucking tired of tipping. I’ve read recommendations of 30% these days. That is absolutely insane. The prices for everything has increased substantially already, and we are expected to tip proportionally to it? Not to mention, the tip screens on POS systems are showing up at regular businesses now. So fucking annoying.

[–] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve read recommendations of 30% these days

Bloody hell! Anyone saying that is trying to take advantage of people.

In the example you give, the business owner increases prices in line with inflation but hey! the workers need a pay increase too, and I'm not paying them more, so the customer should tip more.. so the recommended tip amount increases from 10-15% to 20-30%. But this is not in line with inflation, this is an exponential increase.

A lot of people won't recognize this as people don't generally understand exponentials that easily.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

To clarify, the tip percent shouldn't need to change since it's a percentage of the final bill. So, it automatically accounts for inflation already.

If the average bill goes up 10% and customers always tip the same % then the workers would see a 10% increase in tips.

[–] Underwire@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

People just need to stop doing it. In my city in France, one restaurant started using the POS with the tip screen and people just choose to not tip and they completely disabled the screen after a few weeks. But still some business do push for it.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 32 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Then stop.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Fair point! I guess it’s just so ingrained that I feel like a jerk if I don’t.

ETA: I don’t tip at businesses just because they have a tip screen on their new POS system. I only tip at restaurants.

[–] Chastity2323@midwest.social 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The employers are the real problem. But without an organized movement, random people deciding not to tip anymore is only going to hurt already underpaid workers and kind of does make you a jerk. Some servers literally don't get a paycheck at the end of the week if they didn't get tipped enough because they're paid so little that it's all absorbed by social security and medicare taxes. If you feel you can't afford to tip, just pick up food to go rather than being waited on.

But 100% do not tip at random business that have decided to use a tip screen. Not sure how many people know this, but the companies that make those machines actually get a cut of the tips which is partly why they push tipping so aggressively. These days I just pay with cash everywhere to avoid the issue altogether. Better for my privacy too, and local businesses often offer cash discounts.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

Everywhere I've lived, employers are legally required to make up the difference if tipped employees made under the min wage (and no, I don't mean the sub-min or "tipped" wage). If they're not doing that, we're back to employers/the culture are the problem.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 4 points 11 hours ago

The real jerks are the employers.

They, as usual, have conditioned workers to work against themselves.

Business owners always get a pass because they're insulated from the actual work.

[–] xep@fedia.io 62 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The worst thing is when they try to export this culture to other countries. Boycotting American gig-economy apps is the best thing you can do to try to curtail this.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not saying you're wrong about gig economy apps, but the tipping culture being described here goes way beyond that. Pretty much anywhere that uses one of the popular point of sale systems like Square has a tip request screen you have to click through in order to finish your transaction

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Is this the new story that sites write every time they're out of ideas and need to publish something? Cuz I feel like there's eight of these articles every week.

[–] Sprinks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Even our local news station re-ran their genZ/millenial shame piece this week on how they dont tip while gen X and boomers always tip. No point to be made. Just "hur dur yOuNgE pEoPle DoNt TiP."

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago
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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 21 points 21 hours ago

Nearly half? Are the rest just not paying attention?

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Just stop tipping?

[–] Numenor@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately tipping in North America is a wage subsidy paid by patrons. Employers can get away with paying employees less as there is an expectation that the public will supplement the difference. It wouldn't be enough to just stop tipping, a change to employment practices is necessary.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I think if everybody stopped tipping, a change in employment practices would soon follow, because all those people working consumer subsidized wages would quit.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

When the only choice a person has is a little money vs. no money, they're usually forced to choose the former.

[–] propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Once enough people who rely on tips complain or look for work elsewhere, then things can start to change.

Right now, the same people bitching when they don't get tipped also say "they make more with tips."

Until those useful idiots change, we shouldn't expect the system to change.

I expect to be waiting awhile, perhaps the rest of my life.

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