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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (14 children)

"Lgbtq+ organization" is as stupid as antifa leadership.

[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not stupid, it is designed to criminalize political participation by anyone who isn't pro-putin.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

The motivations are insidious, the justification is stupid

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fascists can’t conceive of something without a strict hierarchical power structure.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

"I don't get same sex relationships. Who is the boot haver and who is the boot licker?" /s

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[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

cant wait till they start accusing each other of being gay and therefore terrorists

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately, I think some are more equal. Those laws are not to be applied to an acting member of elites. When they do something to fall out of favor or just seen as not important anymore, that's when they will get accused of anything.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

There were gossips about some top branches' kids living in EU being not exactly straight. I don't think direct attacks would ensue, but charging each others' children as a form of a racket? I can see it happening.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not really, but kinda. Antifa is an ideology that explicitly rejects leadership, but lgbt is just a thing some people are. Some people are black, and when society treats them like shit over it sometimes they organize. Same goes for lgbt. We organize but we exist when disorganized. The mattachine society and daughters of bilitus were examples of early LGBT organization in my country.

Banning us from organizing is a way to say that if we acknowledge our existence or if anyone acknowledges that our oppression is oppression it will be punished and treated as extremist opposition to the regime.

[–] gribodyr@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on “rejects leadership”?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Formal/persistent organization and people trying to be leaders are generally frowned upon in antifascist scenes. It’s partly due to the anarchist current in them, but it’s also because antifa is something you do not something you join or something you are. Someone may lead an event or something but it will reject someone becoming “a leader” instead preferring those who would be leaders be seen as people having more experience

In short your local lgbt community may have a group with a president, that’s normal. Your local antifascist community almost certainly won’t.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Antifa is an ideology that explicitly rejects leadership

Lol! No it doesn't.

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[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It is not clear whether Russia is targeting a specific LGBTQ+ group, or whether any LGBTQ+ person could be targeted and classified as extremist, if the motion goes through the Supreme Court.

That's how the law works here. Other than being an easy propaganda point, it's also vague enough that anyone can be charged for a little thing. The elites now are former and serving people from the executive branch (mainly national security services), and they are happy from having such a blank check. See: our blasphemy laws, discreditation of MoD laws, foreign agents laws. ~~Gangs~~ Cops and snitches' paradise.

[–] PopShark@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m not used to seeing anyone who knows this so well on lemmy or reddit

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

This gift comes with a curse of being trapped here, I doubt anyone would want to take it (:

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Lol I'm sure hexbear will have something to say about this..

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago

"LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, ALSO THE WEST IS BAD"

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Isn't it obvious, if you just read this 23 page PDF I'm going to copy and paste here you will understand that this is actually good and also whataboutamericaaaaaahkkgggkgtkykvgfff

[–] fleabomber@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

Damnit don't Beetlejuice them.

[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

"They just want to avoid a color revolution, also something something different cultures, something something taking their appropriation of anti-imperialist talking points at face value."

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Fwiw they’re also racist AF. They got a whole - thing - goin on.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

Yeah it's a third world shit hole. They need to demonize minorities to keep Russian people from realizing oligarchs have stolen all the country's wealth.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, US conservatives, Russia is doing what you want to do here. Wouldn't it be easier to just move someplace that aligns with your views? I'm sure they'd let you bring all your guns, too, so you could LARP for real when you volunteer to go fight in Ukraine, because you want to pull US support for Ukraine anyway, right? They even have a nice church-state relationship, too. Authoritarian police. They let the rich get away with everything. Perfect for Republicans! All the work is done! Feel free to move any time.

[–] maniacal_gaff@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah all I hear those chucklefucks say is that if we don't like it, we can get out. Well, your fascist wet dream awaits you in Russia so kindly see yourselves to the door.

[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Next ban straight people!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can we get a gay February revolution, I want to see twinks standing on the onion domes of the red square t posing with putin in a cage.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The queer community as a whole has been ready to go French for a while

[–] joshuanozzi@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

THAT’LL stop ‘em!

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

similar article to the other one but without the paywall, not sure how to avoid it on wsj

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Sometimes MSN will re-host WSJ articles with no paywall…just search for the title & MSN. Not all of them though, unfortunately.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] gribodyr@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Maybe let him fall out of a hotel window

[–] MuuuaadDib@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Good luck with that! More great ideas coming out of the Putin toilet!

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Alright then I'm going to move to totally ban the Russia movement, brb.