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On X11 and the Fascists Maggots (blogs.gnome.org)

submitted 1 week ago by Mihies@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

Fascists and Nazis
Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I use X11 over Wayland on KDE Neon for RustDesk compatibility. The Wayland support for that application is still in Beta from what I understand.

Are there other reasons why I should keep X11? I am on AMD Ryzen 9 5950X paired with a RTX 3090 FE on 570-open drivers, for reference.

[–] pohart@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm fairly sure there's no way to do remote Wayland from Windows, yet without X11. But what do I know? I'm running ububtu 22.04 still

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

From my weak Linux knowledge, Wayland has problems with screen sharing.

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Krita ux crash when dragging layers or frames using tablet.

Um... That's literally it. They both work just fine so there's no difference.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Now I hate Gnome

But:

Harrassing the creators is cringe, even if they make (undeniably-very-competently-made-but-by-virtue-of-dumb-choices-rendered-into) bad computer programmes
Wayland is good actually, Gnome or otherwise.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

Gnome programs, and Gnome itself, is pretty great.

You don't have to shit on a project just because you don't use their stuff or like something else.

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[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 7 points 1 week ago

On the one hand, the guy who wrote this blog post is kinda unhinged.

On the other hand, I'm kinda living for it and agree with his views.

So really it all evens out in the end.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 1 week ago

This read like a story from some fictional universum I don't follow.

[–] U@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I made peace with this forced transition. I went from using one of the available standards (X11) to retrocomputing (X11).

I tried Wayland and what a mess... But I get it. Everything changes, and tech moves on.

As for me and my needs, as long as X11 does its job, I'll keep on using it.

I've followed some of the discussions around the need to have a more modern framework for current graphical systems. I'm pretty confident devs have their hearts and minds in the right place. It's just that Wayland doesn't work for me.

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