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IDF says tunnel, outfitted with blast-proof door and firing hole, found alongside booby-trapped vehicle loaded with weapons

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[–] Neato@kbin.social 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If your enemy is using civilians as human shields you still cannot attack the civilians being used. You find better tactics that limit that tactic. Refusing to do so makes you no better than your enemy. Both should be condemned.

For another example this is like a shooter hiding behind a hostage and the cops just shooting the hostage. That's murder.

[–] hh93@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's just the trolley problem Moral dilemma in a very real and cruel application.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's worse than that since in this case there is plenty of time to stop the trolley before it kills anyone.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

"plenty of time" is pretty generous considering this whole thing started with an attack which killed over a thousand people.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are these the same tunnels IDF built when they occupied the area?

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

No, these are "terror tunnels," so they are different! If you put the word "terror" in front of something, it completely changes it.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No one should be surprised by this. It's been well known for a long time that Hamas uses civilian infrastructure to shield their operations, and civilians themselves as human shields.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Cool, still shouldn't bomb hospitals.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Two things...

First, as samokosik says, if it's being used militarily, it's a military target. But second - and more importantly - I never said Israel should bomb hospitals.

There is no "should" in this clusterfuck. Everyone is guilty. Hamas happens to be the most guilty in all this, and should definitely be eradicated, but Israel should never have oppressed the Gaza strip or deployed illegal "settlements." There is no good, clean solution now. Everything is fucked.