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    Edit: Enough money as in buying a PC supporting windows 11

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    [–] zepheriths@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Or have enough mon..... My brother it's free. Zero dollars.

    [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 35 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think the mangled English there is suggesting that some people don't care enough, and other people have enough money (to buy Windows).

    Not that it matters because who the fuck pays for Windows anyway? OEMs do, but not normal people. Everything since like Windows 7 has been a free upgrade, and normies get a new PC more often than that so get a copy with it.

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    [–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I seriously can't make sense of this meme... What is it trying to say? Why is the train smashing "Linux adoption"? It seems like this meme contradicts itself at every opportunity lol

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    [–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 67 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Why would they need money? Linux based OSes are both free and much lighter than Windows

    [–] everett@lemmy.ml 54 points 11 months ago

    The meme, which wasn't well-written, is suggesting that the cost savings of switching to Linux isn't significant to most people. It's saying

    Most people

    • don't care enough
    • have enough money

    rather than

    Most people don't

    • care enough
    • have enough money
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    [–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 53 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Most people will install Windows 11, complain about it, complain about the lack of Windows alternatives, then get offended and spam downvote anyone who mentions an alternative.

    [–] juipeltje@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

    This pretty much sums up the pcmasterrace community and i ended up leaving because of it.

    [–] paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Most people will buy a computer, that computer will have Windows 11 on it, they'll start using that computer and the pre-installed OS that came with it, and maybe, occasionally, they will complain that "this is different now" and that "they always change things, it's so annoying" and that will be the end of it.

    If you're talking about people who install or even just upgrade the OS on their computer by themselves, are aware of such a concept as "alternative operating systems," engage in any kind of conversation about operating systems on social media, and then care enough about the topic to downvote people who disagree with them on purely ideological grounds, you're already talking about a tiny, tiny minority of computer users.

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    [–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one 9 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I'm trying to learn Linux, got Cinnamon to dip my toes into, and love it.

    And being someone who is computer literate, finding a distro that was similar to windows to learn with was a pain. With all the infighting and superiority complexs on forums, the absolute number of variations of distros, combined with the avalanche of information you need to digest just to get a basic understanding....

    Yeah, I get why people will stick to Windows and ignore free/better alternatives, all while complaining. It's just not worth it to a vast majority of users.

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    [–] monz@pawb.social 49 points 11 months ago (16 children)

    We overestimate what most people do with their computers.

    Most people that buy one never touch the re-installation of the OS. I wouldn’t be surprised if I learned 99% of PC users haven’t even done it once.

    People buy a PC and use whatever it comes with. They don’t uninstall bloat. They might use a different browser. And then they’ll stick with it until they’re done with it.

    It requires knowledge to use different Operating Systems. Most people either don’t have the time or don’t care to learn it. I can’t say I blame them, I never cared to learn about my car. I don’t ever really want to! Yet, I use it every day.

    [–] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

    Kind reminder that majority of users use "Google" as their browser. :)

    [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

    You probably should learn the basics of your car, or develop a relationship with someone who is good at/knows cars and pick a few things up from them.

    You rely on it working correctly to not die and the company that makes it would happily let you die if they calculated it was more profitable that way.

    Like it's a good thing to have basic knowledge of the stuff we rely on. You don't need to be an expert but total ignorance is a very vulnerable position.

    [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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    [–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

    People are still using facebook and reddit by the hundreds of millions or billions. Most people don't give 2 shits about technology, just that it sort of works. Most people are Jen.

    [–] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    oh you think so?
    i'll tell you, the saying:

    echo $(date -d "$(date +%Y) + 1 year" +%Y) will be the year of the linux desktop

    has never been wrong

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    [–] sv1sjp@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Many people and even businesses are still running Windows XP and Windows 7 and we are still talking about security updates on Windows 10?😂 People will never take their security seriously if they don't lose a lot of money at first...

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    [–] recapitated@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

    While sleep(31536000){ Year_of_the_linux_desktop++ }

    [–] ares35@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    if a shitty new windows version was gonna drive users to linux, it would have happened already....

    at least twice.

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    [–] dipshit@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

    Linux so expensive

    [–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Most people still Google “Facebook” to login to Facebook.

    The general public won’t start using Linux until the computer they buy from their local big box store has it installed by default. Which for a brief moment nearly happened with netbooks.

    [–] Selkie@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I know it's mostly because I'm in the middle of nowhere, most people I know don't know what OS they're running

    [–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

    They don't even know what program they browse the internet with, manage documents with, nor view media with. They know what button to press. George Jetson is our reality.

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    [–] Lobreeze@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I use Linux at work. All my personal laptops are Linux. My home server is Linux...

    I updated to windows 11 on my main PC and it isn't that bad anymore. Have it working almost like 10 was.

    No average user is going to give a shit about 10 -> 11

    [–] humanplayer2@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

    If your machine support it. Aren't gen 7 Intel chips and earlier unsupported?

    [–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago

    Except I had to trick my PC into upgrading. Lots of hardware that's still perfectly good will block you from upgrading/installing W11.

    [–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I remember when xp was not supported and....people kept using it. Security bugs and all. Most people don't really think about the os, they think about the programs they are using.

    [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Shout out to ReactOS, who aims to be 100% compatible with Windows stuff. Too bad that they're only likely to get there by 2050 :(

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

    But when you'll be looking for XP compatibility in 2050, they're going to be the only game in town.

    [–] thezeesystem@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why I don't switch to Linux as my main. The video games and mod managers don't work well on it.

    If given the ability and choice too I would use Linux 10000% but not even proton can work on everything that is only for Windows.

    I literally have no choice tbh as I "acquire" games I can't afford and it's often to hard to figure out how to install them on Linux.

    I hate windows with a passion but capatilism and monopolies force me to use it.

    [–] Hexarei@programming.dev 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Proton may not be perfect but it works for the vast majority of games at this point. And most mod managers can also run through Lutris, curious to hear which ones you've tried that didn't work

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    [–] ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Not even Windows can run all Windows games, so that's kind of a hard criteria for Linux to achieve.

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    [–] MrBubbles96@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    In my experience, 90% of games work on Linux just by using proton. I've even had some of my GoG games that just absolutely did not work on modern Windows just straight up be "install and click play" on Linux via just Wine or by using Proton. The 10% that don't are multiplayer games with heavy anticheats--which, unfortuenatly are what a lot of people play. Some of them already work (Apex, Dead by Daylight, Halo) some are getting worked on (Genshin--tho there IS a way to play it on Linux, at the risk of a ban, a buncha easy-anticheat games like Hunt: Showdown, etc) and some have just plain said a Linux version is out of the cards (Fortnite, Destiny 2 AFAIK).

    Modding games also works fine on Linux, but there's a bit of a catch: it's not as simple as installing MO2 and Vortex (you CAN install both via Lutris or Steamtinker, but I've personally never gotten either to work like that so i can't say how well it does or doesn't), you kinda have to play around and see what works. I was able to mod Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas, and Morrowind exactly as i do on Windows (the former three using Rockerbacon's Mod Organizer 2 script, the last one manually), Fallout 4 manually (haven't tried the script since i don't really play FO4, tho I'm sure it works), Pathfinder WOTR via using it's mod manager in Proton, using Steam Workshop if a game supports it, and using Mod Managers for Linux when they're available, like Baldur's Gate 3's LAMP. Yeah, it's a hassle depending on the game. For me, it's fine because I accepted long ago that there would be some annoyances to Linux, and as long as there isn't any native mod managers built specifically for Linux and we're stuck jury rigging mod managers made for Windows, modding will be one of those annoyances. But my tolerance is not everyone's tolerance and I completely understand if people are put off by this and just stick to Windows for modded games.

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    [–] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    What do you mean with "enough money"? Linux is free. It'll only cost time to adjust the workflow

    [–] pathief@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    They mean the user will happily pay for the new windows version instead.

    [–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    How can they do that if they don't have enough money

    [–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    People pay for Windows with money?

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    [–] nebula42@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    Tbh it kinda comes to the reason why there are some people still using Windows XP in 2023: they refuse to let go. If another operating system can give them the same experience as Windows 10 with the latest support for all applications, hopefully they'll take that as opposed to using an outdated version of Windows.

    Source: my main gaming rig is switching to arch once windows 10 reaches eol

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    [–] Jorgelino@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago
    [–] fatbeer@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    Here’s my experience using Linux for 3 yrs now. I was excited enough to try a new OS that I learned how to install a new operating system on a new laptop I bought. I never could get rid of a drivers alert on every start up, even though I knew there was nothing wrong there. Googling the problem, the top 5 results were 5 completely different solutions. Whatever it’s a small problem so I ignored it. Months later my sound started screwing up, like distortions. (Ok, so maybe there is something wrong with my drivers.) But could never figure it out and could resolve the sound problem momentarily with a restart. With the sound issue happening more frequently, I thought I should get a new laptop, this time built with Linux pre installed by a company that knows what they’re doing. I bought a $1200 laptop from System 76, with specs that I could easily pay $500 less for. I don’t understand why the volume buttons don’t work out of the box and the auto update of snap packages has been ridiculously frustrating cause all my firefox tabs close and seem to be lost. Again, googling the issue gets a dozen different solutions and I don’t know what route to take. I only need an internet browser & word processor, ffs. I feel too stupid for Linux. I don’t even have kids or much of a time sucking job and I feel like learning this OS is too time-consuming. I’m probably getting a Mac for my next laptop and wish I didn’t feel like I have to.

    [–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I have no idea how you've run into so many issues. People shit on Ubuntu here but I've always used it as a "Mac OS alternative" since the flavor feels similar. My wife uses it all the time and has very few issues. The only issue we run into is Bluetooth, but I have Bluetooth issues with every OS I've ever used: Android, MacOS, Windows, etc.

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