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Truth.
Don't worry - this is tankiejerk. We're an anti-tankie comm. Bootlickers aren't tolerated here.
don't be a coward and say what counties are you referring to
Currently, North Korea, China, Russia (which, despite no longer being formally socialist, still widely uses socialist Soviet iconography and has the Russian Communist Party as one of the coalition partners of the regime), Venezuela, Cuba. Until very recently, Syria.
Russia isn't even socialist, not even in aesthetics, Cuba is communist.
By syria you mean Rojava? not sure if they are socialist, they are more anarchist. But the media has radio silence about them.
Russia isn’t even socialist, not even in aesthetics,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_imagery_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Cuba is communist.
Cuba is ideologically communist (specifically, Marxist-Leninist) and claims to be a socialist state on the path to endstage communism.
By syria you mean Rojava? not sure if they are socialist, they are more anarchist. But the media has radio silence about them.
As I said until recently, I am referring to the Assadist regime, which was formally a Ba'athist state espousing Arab socialism, and for that reason had many tankies simping for it hardcore despite not being much more than a despotic clientistic economy which oppressed its own working class to a greater degree than even developed bourgeois capitalist democracies.
Spoiler: It's waaaay more than three or four.
Also, if we want to make progress in the world and not let billionaires play us against each other, maybe the best judgement process is to evaluate how things are working out overall instead of slapping a black hat on anything that isn't perfect enough for a white hat.
What government hasn't committed an atrocity?
The "student governments" mock-government things in K-12 school probably
"Whataboutism" is one of the most prevalent logical fallacies. It never makes any sense.
Another top contender is that all things with defects or drawbacks are equally horrible and unacceptable.
If the much worse enemies of the USA have a lot to gain by the USA's downfall and are actively promoting said downfall, then it's not whataboutism to unmask them like a scooby doo villain.
Tankies don't give af about trans rights, Tankies don't give af about any human rights, Tankies don't want you to live and flourish in any capacity at all. Do not be fooled by their rhetoric all over Lemmy.
It's mostly from .ml in my experience, Hell, look at the goons spouting off against tgis post in these very comments. .ml
IMO, self respecting instances need to defederate from .ml so they are not so overrun by tankie clapping sealions... Just like with hexbear, they deserve to be silenced by social forces.
However it can be used to point out someone's hypocrisy. If country A is genociding people from country B, while screaming about people from country B genociding people from country C, "what about your genocide" is an appropriate response.
Appealing to hypocrisy is a fallacy, full stop. Someone can be a hypocrite but that has no bearing on whether an action is justifiable for both/neither.
Calling out hypocrisy can be valid but it must further discussion, not shut it down. In your example, if country A is committing genocide while condemning country B for genocide, the problem isn't just country B’s actions. It's that country A is deflecting from its own crimes instead of addressing them.
Saying 'what about your genocide' only matters if it leads to accountability for both. If it's just used to avoid taking responsibility, then it's whataboutism. It shifts the focus without solving anything.
To reiterate, whataboutism is deflection meant to shut down further discussion.
The infallabile "ha, gotcha" fallacy
that use the aesthetics of socialism
This isn't even a criteria for many
Can anyone explain what the aesthetics of socialism are and which atrocities are being hidden?
Could it be China? But they aren't Socialist.
Could it be China? But they aren’t Socialist.
Take that up with tankies, who will argue long and passionately that China is actually very socialist.
Or any "aesthetics" to his atrocities.
That's why they keep repeating the phrase "critical support". They support oppressive regimes in their fight against the US, but still remain critical of them (any criticism of their favorite dictatorship will get you banned).
It's actually more like "critical hit" in a video game. If they hit a critical support with their internet comment then North Korea gets +5 anti imperialism for 20 minutes. It's the meta bro
If societies intention was to drown me in the bath water how the fuck did i manage to make it this far?
Russia is a right wing plutocracy and isn't using the aesthetics of socialism, so is this about China and not Russia/Ukraine?
But... dichotomy is best omy? Putin can't be lying, because other states bad.
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