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For a long time, I believed the story that they QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow down typing, because typing too fast would cause jams on old typewriters, but apparently it isn't true.

Skip to 3:00 for the part that talks about this.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Join us Dvorak weirdos! Your wrists and typing speed may or may not thank you. We have anecdotal evidence!

Fr tho, my wrists stopped hurting when I type when I joined the cult of dvorak

If you want to go off the deep end you can even try the original variant where the number bar is changed too

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Colemak supremacy!

Really though if you haven't started with Dvorak why not go for Colemak?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Dvorak is a more elegant and memable solution. Imagine, all your vowels in a row as you snicker to decade old xkcd comics about your keyboard

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 72 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

It wasn't a matter of typing too fast that was the issue, but rather commonly paired letters should be positioned such that their mechanical linkages would be less prone to collide with each other if they were pressed consecutively. Your only real limitation in typing speed on an oldschool mechanical typewriter is that you can't have two keys pressed at the same time and you can't have two hammers hit the page consecutively before the first hammer has fallen away. Commonly paired letters should be mechanically unlikely to collide, which does not necessarily follow that they wind up with an intuitive location on the keyboard itself in terms of what's "far apart" and "close together."

On the Sholes and Glidden typing machine from which the modern QWERTY layout was originally derived, the hammers did not have a return spring but were rather dropped back home via gravity. Later models quickly developed spring loaded returns for just that reason.

The Sholes and Glidden 'board was tweaked somewhat from its original quasi-mathematically determined collision mitigating layout largely for marketing purposes, and also for aesthetics. The primordial design actually had the period key in the middle of the field which probably looked just as goofy to people back in the day as it does now. The rights were eventually sold to Remington (yes, that Remington) who made the final adjustments to arrange the keys in the modern QWERTY layout, invented the shift key for both upper and lowercase letter capability for their Model 2 Standard typewriter which the Sholes and Glidden machine lacked, and the rest is history.

I'm pretty sure QWERTY telegraph keyboards post-date typewriters. Early examples of telegraph transcription machines literally used piano keyboards with letters inscribed on them, and the prototype Sholes and Glidden 'board inherited a similar two row layout before adopting the staggered four row one.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 68 points 21 hours ago

TLDW: it was maybe designed to make translation from Morse code easier, and then a bunch of letters were randomly placed.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 34 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I hate YouTube thumbnails.

[–] Hexagon@feddit.it 17 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You may want to install DeArrow. It's a browser extension that replaces them with an actual frame from the video

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

https://freetubeapp.io/ comes packed with DeArrow, Sponsorblock and natively uses Invidious or Piped API’s for playback.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

No way, that's real!?

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Why is the thumbnail drawing question marks around U and I being together? Even Dvorak does that.

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Because YouTube thumbnails are designed to generate clicks and engagement (including this conversation right here!), not to be correct or informative.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I know, but I was wondering if they were also referencing the "If I could rearrange the alphabet" joke.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 1 points 19 hours ago

Maybe because the keyboard is the UI of the typewriter?

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

You can pry Colemak from my cold dead hands

Just don't ask me to type on somebody else's computer, because I physically cannot. I have to hunt and peck.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I use dvorak in my keyboards but still use qwerty on the phone.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 13 hours ago
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Same, I would've switched both at the same time but I was on iPhone at the time and it didnt have a Dvorak option. Now I'm not in pain when I type so no need to change anything

[–] natecox@programming.dev 3 points 18 hours ago

I carry around a 3x5 split keyboard with Colemak-dh mapped via firmware. Because I, too, am absolutely useless at a qwerty keyboard now.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Dude don't skip over Sam from HAI. He's cool people, and his voice is incredibly soothing. Not like that asshole Sam from Wendover.

Those two guys are a big part of why I use Nebula. And LeagleEagle. And it's how I found Crazy History.

[–] loomy@lemy.lol -1 points 15 hours ago

its bc typewriters