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As SOD says: "Why do they only send the poor?" Send politicians, high rank officials, billionaires and celebrities to the front for a change. I spent my time in the army. But I wouldn't fight for any country these days...
Actually send no one. War is a stupid game played by stupid people to make stupid money...
To "fight for your country" has been coopted so many times for wars in far away lands, ideological wars, wars of aggression, that the phrasing alone will make people assume they are being lied to and that somebody is fishing for dumb people to be sent into the meat grinder.
"fight for your country" has been coopted
Maybe, but surveys like this have been held in several countries and most show a higher percentage of willingness..Seemingly, most respondents there didn't have this association.
Idk about Italy specifically, or the difference in phrasing per study though.
Add. another factor could be the disinformation landscape. statista
China and Russia's absence makes this meaningless.
China and Russia's absence makes this meaningless.
What do you mean, you aren't talking about the graph, right?
Do you see China and Russia's ranking on the statista graph? I don't.
Do you see China and Russia's ranking on the statista graph?
Duh, ofcourse you dont. It's a disinformation chart in free democratic countries. Also if you check the comments it was used as an argument concerning an European research.
When we talk about disinformation we commonly refer to Ruzz disinformation, and we mean their psyops hybrid disinformation campaigns in ** democratic** countries.
If you want to see a chart that might answer your question here is one
These charts are always suspect when they have a literal apartheid regime run by scores of howling fascists marked as democratic.
I guess as long as you accept their idea where democracy only applies to part of the population, then yes, part of the population can pretend they live in a democratic society. Nothing wrong with just not considering other people as people, no sir. Only freedom here.
(I donβt disagree that disinfo is usually discussed in the context of countries where people are more likely to affect policy)
The chart is from 2023
How does that change anything?
I'd rather migrate to another country than to risk my life and the ones I love for a pointless war driven by maniac idiots.
Me too. But sometimes I am also wondering what then. Sooner or later the maniac idiots will come to the other country as well and maybe it's better to fight them before they get even stronger.
Maybe. But for a foreseeable lifetime this wouldn't be my problem and not worth risking my life. Life is way too precious to throw it away so easily by becoming a cog in the war machine.
for a foreseeable lifetime this wouldnβt be my problem
Just one example among many why this isn't the case, at least if you live in a non-democratic country.
Does that include your country being invaded? Does βa pointless war driven by maniac idiotsβ include defense from invasion?
I always thought Italy is full of nationalists
You see, Italians hate their country, but at the same time think it's the best country (right until they need to do some bureaucracy, then it's the worst).
So they nationalisticaly defend it with words against other countries, but they wouldn't actually put skin in the game.
Source: you can see my instance ends with .it
Why does working in IT give you insight into Italy?
If you aren't sarcastic, .it is Italy national domain (short for Italy, ofc)
This would explain it, thanks for the insight
Which age are they?
Because a lot of people love war and nationalist bullshit, when it is other people doing the fighting for them
What's that? You don't want to throw yourselves into a meatgrinder to protect the private property rights of your fellow rich nationals?
In all likelyhood the adversary isn't taking my apartment. It's taking the factories I don't own. Maybe working conditions would be worse afterwards. Maybe they'd better. Gotta check who's invading.
Gotta check whoβs invading.
a line to remember
Most likely countries to invade are far right authoritarian. Though IDK where you live, if you're in like Russia or Iran there's merit to the idea that conditions might improve. If you're in any of the classic "western" countries, no way, though - even the USA has better working conditions than Russia.
Likely. The joke about the bird in cow shit applies though. Not everyone who shits on you means you harm and not everyone who pulls you out of the shit means you good.
The article doesn't talk about any specific kind of war, does it?
For example, if I look at Gaza or Ukraine, I can't see it as "damage to rich private property rights".
Only 16% of Italians would fight for their country, survey shows
does that include women?
Can we get that down to 0% world-wide? Pretty please?
Quick! Let's annex Italy!
My thoughts exactly, time for big germany to return. Although not in the previous way I guess
What exactly do you think the EU is? π±
Yes please, make us a scandinavian protectoradeπ₯΅
Surely it will be more once the rubber hits the road.
Nobody will attack the EU anyway. Next one.