I have a Renault 5, was one of the first owners of the new EV model! Itโs a fantastic car, but interestingly, the whole interior material is.. denim! Seats, trim, everything. Even the inside of the roof! And itโs made out of recycled blue jeans. How cool is that?
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Oh, good. My first instinct was that theyโd use that plastic fake leather stuff. I really dislike fake leather. Itโs not very durable and really difficult to mend when damaged. And itโs so very sticky in summer. Denim sounds like an amazing option though.
Hopefully they are not replacing it with some form of plastic.
Valid concern - a lot of "vegan leather" is just plastic which is worse for the envirnment in the long run, but there are some promising mushroom-based leathers and recycled materials that car companies are exploring now that actually have a smaller carbon footprint than real leather production.
No no, itโs going to be VEGAN leather (plastic) ๐
Are vegan concern about what they use as well and not just what they eat?
The โveganโ part usually hints at it being good for the environment.
Plastic isnโt.
I never understood leather car seats.
Can someone here explain to me the appeal of car seats that get extra cold in winter, extra hot in summer, and that will get all sticky against my sweaty leg if I sit down with shorts...
Agreed. My mum's car and my boss's car have leather seats and I hate it. Both of my cars (and almost every other car I've ever driven in) have fabric seats, and they're infinitely more comfortable. And I presume considerably cheaper.
and crack after a few years of use. and stain depending on what gets on 'em. great if you want to burn your kids asses I guess.
Leather car seats might be very appealing for those with young children, as it's far easier to clean food, drinks, and dirt, off of leather than cloth.
They last essentially forever if maintained even just a little bit and is a good quality leather. I've been in cars from the 70's with the original leather seats in amazing condition.
I don't personally care that much what the material is in my car, but I've never had good experiences with fake leather, I'd rather honestly have any other fabric. And those other fabrics are very common already in cars!
The car won't last forever anyway, if it's used regularly.
I threw away my last car at 19 years and 380'000km with no tears on the cloth seats.
And yeah, fake leather is almost always a big no.
My car also has 480000km on it and 20 years old, seats still perfect. Maybe Seat just makes good seats :P
Well, it's right there in the name!
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Mine was a 2001 Fiat Multipla, powered with natural gas. One of the most reviled cars ever made, and produced when Fiat was at its worst. It was awesome.
As a lover of weird and ugly cars, I love the Multipla. If I needed a larger car like that, I'd totally get one. Though my need for weirdness is currently satisfied with ny Trabant
The cactus is on my wishlist but un/fortunately I don't really need a car anymore as a moped suffices
Leather feels much nicer than cloth. I prefer my seating surface smooth.
I don't remember the last time I had a car without heated seats. I've had a car as old as 2003 (bought for 3k) that had ventilated seats. The are also ways to make sure your car is the right temperature by the time you get in it.
I'd like to know which country are you from. I live in Italy and I've never even seen a car with heated seating, it sounds like those fancy things for rich people in movies.
Estonia. I've seen 1980s or 90s heaps of junk with heated seats. It's kind of a requirement when it gets to -33C in the winter. It's also very cheap for manufacturers to add, so a lot of them include it as standard equipment in northern countries.
It was more common than AC here until AC became standard equipment in cars.
USA here. It mostly depends on the regional climate, in my experience. If youโre buying a new car in Texas, it probably wonโt have heated seats in the options package. If youโre buying one in Vermont, it would be a lot more likely to be available.
One advantage is that they are usually much easier to clean, stains that soak into regular fabric can often just be wiped off from leather, however I do believe it's usually about leather having a more "premium feel".
Besides I like to believe that humanity has somehow evolved. In certain parts of the worldโฆ at least. Why the need to skin animals for leather? Seems barbarism, pre historic and out of dateโฆ
As I wrote elsewhere, I believe there are still cases where leather really makes sense from a comfort/durability standpoint.
I, like most people, still eat at least some meat, so it seems rude to not make good use of the rest.
I mean, that is extremely easy to answer.
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It was an otherwise-wasted material that is already bonded, minimal tools needed for processing,
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In colder climates, fur was already attached to the leather which means that warm clothes could be crafted easily, fast, and by gathering all of the materials at one place. In early historic times, growing suitable plants and having the capacity to process them, strip them, straighten them, and weave them was not always possible and would be a full time job where it was, which means less time working in agricultural fields. Plus, animal fur has bigger growing seasons and is much warmer than any plant alternative.
The real answer for the modern world is that leather is a byproduct of the very shitty industrial meat industry. The meat industry already has more leather than they can get rid of and it regularly goes into landfills. From an environmental standpoint, it is much better to use the leather than almost all other materials used for those tasks which burn oil and use oil to create them (every leather alternative is simply shitty petroleum-based non-recycled plastic, every one). From a moral perspective it is shitty to give more money to the meat industry, but they make the vast vast majority of their profits on the meat and not the hides. If everyone switched off of leather right now, the same amount of animals would be brutally murdered, but instead their hides would be dumped in landfills and the ocean after stripping it off of the meat.
This isn't even getting into waterproofing. Almost all clothing waterproofing is petroleum or animal oil based (wax is either petroleum or harvested from bees) except for natural rubber which also has a bunch of negatives.
The only mass scaled alternative is synthetics made from oil.
Until a sustainable alternative reaches scale. This is lip service for vegans.
The only mass scaled alternative
The only mass scaled alternative with an identical look and feel. There are plenty of alternatives if you don't need it to look like leather. Like the infinite variety of fabrics.
I'm not convinced raising a whole living being that eats plants, and harvesting its skin is that much more energy efficient than just using a plant fibre
Other new materials can and will be scaled up, such as hemp based cloth, mycelium based leather etc.
And as someone who prefers fabric seats anyway...There are fabric seats too!
Hmmm this feels like green washing to cut costs.
Isn't leather mostly a byproduct? Leather boots and car seats can last decades, which could reduce waste.
What are the alternatives and what are they made or? Afik the alternatives are usually petroleum based don't last as long and introduce micro plastics
Would like to see a proper study on the alternatives and their long term impacts compared.
Despite its reputation, leather is definitively not a byproduct. The modern leather industry does not reduce the waste of animal agriculture, it collaborates in it. Leather is best viewed as a coproduct, meaning that the two industries are distinct, but inextricably linked.
The global leather goods market is gigantic, and Grand View Research predicts it will reach USD $405.28 billion by 2030, up from $242.85 billion in 2022. In 2020, global production reached 12.5 million tonnes and included the skin of over 1.4 billion animals. (Thatโs nearly 20 percent of the entire human population at the time killed within a single year.)
Apart from the staggering inherent environmental footprint of raising cattle, turning hides into leather itself has a significant impact. So significant, in fact, that Collective Fashion Justice believes turning hides into products creates more CO2e emissions โ about 110kg per square meter โ than simply putting them straight into landfill. (Which is very likely where the product will end up rotting and producing emissions eventually, anyway.)
Itโs also not just cows that are used to produce leather. Hides from sheeps*, lambs, goats, and pigs are also frequently used, while animals such as crocodiles, alligators, snakes, kangaroos, zebras, elephants, and more โ including rare, endangered, and keystone species โ are hunted specifically for their skins, frequently for luxury accessories by high-end brands.
Fashion designer and vegan icon Stella McCartney, who uses plant-based alternatives to leather in her various products, previously told Plant Based News (PBN) that the idea of leather was a byproduct was โsheer nonsense.โ She added: โIโm here to let people know thatโs a lie thatโs been created by the meat industry and leather boards.โ
https://plantbasednews.org/news/environment/the-problem-with-leather-cruel/
The single largest producer of micro plastics is car tires. The second largest is lint from synthetic clothing. I agree that it's probably green washing but it's still probably better than using leather.
Even if leather is a byproduct of meat production, it's not given away. It's sold. At best, leather is subsidizing the meat industry. Leather helps make animal suffering more profitable. Therefore it happens more.