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PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country's secular values.

The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents. Muslims believe that any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous.

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[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 176 points 11 months ago (3 children)

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[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 72 points 11 months ago (17 children)
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[–] capital@lemmy.world 165 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Maybe these people would be happier moving to a country where their religion is forced down from the government? Maybe go there?

You’re incompatible with western society so change or get the fuck out.

And before anyone jumps down my throat I’m speaking specifically of those who don’t accept that things like freedom of speech includes things they don’t like.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

They are here to expand their religion, not for escaping their country or freedom of speech. They are using freedom of speech to make themselves a victim while expanding their religion in the back.

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[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 151 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seems like a fair and reasonable response to a cartoon.

The religion of peace strikes again.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Religion of love!

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 140 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Religion ruins everything. Also here is a painting of Mohammed

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 86 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Nothing to add, just thought a cock n balls would improve it, seeing as he was a pedo

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Did we just become best friends?

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[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

fuck mohammed, peace be upon him

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[–] Locrin@lemmy.world 133 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Islam is so touchy. Even pointing out Mohammed was a bandit and a pedophile gets them going and that is just straight facts anyone can get from reading about his life.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 87 points 11 months ago (24 children)

Religious extremists are the touchy ones. Plenty of Muslim folks who go on with their lives in peace.

I do agree that islamist extremists are the worst.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

To be honest, the Nationalist Christians (Nat-C’s) that we have here at home are pretty fucking unsettling. They know that it’s their god-given right to be in charge of everything and they will “save” everyone by trying to force their twisted interpretation of religious texts onto the populace with zero compromise, because “that’s god’s plan”.

They’re just as bad as Islamic extremists; they’re just committing their violence in more official channels and in a slower fashion, up until the day that they manage to get an unshakable hold on power (read: establish a “theocratic” dictatorship, like the Republic of Gilead from Handmaid’s Tale, which they took as an aspirational goal instead of a cautionary story).

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

Yep. They're killing people through legislation and propaganda, instead of more directly observable ways. But it's still clear

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, at the most, the Muslims in my life would've said "hey I find that disrespectful can you please not" and go about their day.

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[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 22 points 11 months ago

In Europe there are more Muslim refugees though, than, for example, in North America which gets more regular Muslim immigrants.

It's a specific problem in Europe with an influx of refugees from war torn and poor countries who are often troubled, more extreme in their religion and potentially less educated (because they fled from shitty countries).

I guess it's more connected to those circumstances than with Islam in itself. Statistically, more educated and better off people are less religious. I suspect that's the same with Muslims?!

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[–] jedi@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe every extremist is touchy. Fuck religion!

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[–] Crow@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was a class lesson on freedom of speech… oh gee.

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[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

all religions are cancer. ALL. period. I can criticise any fanatic of any religion the same way I criticise the fanatics of the religion I grew up and was brainwashed to follow. I was able to leave. For some people it may be more difficult because of the situation in their country. However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.

There are Arabs who migrate to Europe because they're not allowed not express their disbelief in their home countries.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 38 points 11 months ago

Sad little cowards can’t live in a free world where people can have their own thoughts on belief.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago (8 children)

i'd just like to comment on this comment section

since i've joined lemmy some months ago i've seen the nuanced discussion i was so relieved and happy to find here degrading. this section ilustrates that well. the nuanced and cautious are still there, but are being briganded against in a way i don't think they were before

maybe i'm sounding like an "eternal september" elitist here, but i do like open discussions on the internet, with all the ugliness that's bound to happen. i just really hope with all my heart that, in the midst of it all, the good things don't go away

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 33 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country's secular values.

The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents.

One of the minors is a 15-year-old girl who allegedly told her parents that Paty had shown caricatures of the prophet in her class.

Paty, 47, was killed outside his school in a Paris suburb by an 18-year-old assailant, born in Russia of Chechen origin, who was shot dead by police soon after the attack.

France is home to Europe's largest Muslim minority and has suffered a wave of attacks by Islamist militants or their sympathisers in past years.

In the wake of Paty's killing, some teachers acknowledged they censored themselves to avoid confrontation with pupils and parents over religion and free speech.


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[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

When I was in high school I screamed in the middle of biology class "those are not gonads, those are balls!". I still feel bad about it because the teacher was so nice and I was a nightmare.

I feel a bit better.

[–] CrabLangEnjoyer@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I'm sorry what? 2.5 years? Is that a joke? Those animals should never set foot outside prison walls again no matter their age.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 39 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Did you just read the headline and get outraged without pausing for even a second to think "2.5 years for murder and mutilation can't be right, I better read the article"?

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[–] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 32 points 11 months ago (5 children)

The five other minors to be prosecuted, aged between 14 and 15 at the time of the attack, will be charged with premeditated criminal conspiracy, or ambush.

They are suspected of having pointed out Paty to the murderer or helped monitor his exit from the school.

They weren’t involved in the killing, they are guilty of pointing him out.

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago (21 children)

So they were responsible for it

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[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

These kids haven't killed anyone. A weird guy told them who is the teacher who's insulted Muhamad, here is 300 EUR, I'll teach him to not do it again

They couldn't guess what was about to happen, and now live with the guilt and trauma which is a worse sentence than any jail time

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

You’re presuming a state of mind, just as the other people you’re arguing against are. We don’t know if they regret it or not and never will.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

They are not the perpetrators, and were kids at the time. Kids are easily influenced, and make mistakes, a lot of them.

In this case those mistakes ended up causing the gruesome death of an innocent teacher, that is why they are on trial. If someone is guilty, it is their parents, who failed to educate them, and those who exploited those weaknesses to put them under their influence.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

They are not the perpetrators, and were kids at the time. Kids are easily influenced, and make mistakes, a lot of them.

Im sorry but my mistakes as a kid were breaking windows not beheading people.

[–] Dremor@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

In this case it is more selling information about the victim to the perpetrator.

The tribunal task will be to evaluate if they knew what the perpetrator was about to do, in which case their punishment will be harsher, or if they didn't.

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[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Kids are easily influenced, and make mistakes, a lot of them.

And adults aren't? Tired of this nonsense that people reach a certain age and all of a sudden they can tell right from wrong.

Were you one of those kids who couldn't tell right from wrong? I wasn't, and neither were most of my peers. It's a cultural issue, not an age one.

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