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These early adopters found out what happened when a cutting-edge marvel became an obsolete gadget... inside their bodies.

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[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 324 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple. Medical devices should have certain expectations for time and support. This happens in other industries all the time. Product support has to be guaranteed. And if you can't guarantee product support, make your software open source. That's not a law, just a "I'm not an asshole" placeholder. Open source schematics and software won't fix everything, but it shows good faith effort to help people fucking not go blind.

[–] Letto@reddthat.com 213 points 11 months ago (12 children)

What's so messed up to me is that the implants I design, inactive pieces of metal, are required to be operable for the life of our longest living patient PLUS 20 YEARS. Yet somehow as soon as electronics are involved they can get away with this. How long until pacemakers or insulin pumps need a license to continue functioning?

This is why I have an issue with privatized medicine.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I agree with your sentiment, and maybe this is a minor quibble, but I don't see how complex electronic implants can be designed to function on the same timelines as "inactive pieces of metal".

I do think that your bashing of privatized medicine is on the right track though. There needs to be some sort of regulatory framework, and possibly public funding, to maintain warranty and replacement stockpiles for implants that are too dangerous, or complex to remove, or unique in the medical niche they fill.

However, I'm just spitballing out of my ass and depth here, so there's a real possibility that everything I just said is nonviable, or otherwise idiotic.

[–] deranger@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (26 children)

I don't see how complex electronic implants can be designed to function on the same timelines as "inactive pieces of metal".

Considering the already existing issues with inactive implants, maybe electronics shouldn’t be allowed in implants until they can demonstrate reliability.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 199 points 11 months ago (9 children)

👏 OPEN 👏 SOURCE 👏 AFTER 👏 OBSOLETION 👏

[–] Chakravanti@sh.itjust.works 61 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Fuck that. Free & Open Source Software ONLY for ANY bioimplant tech.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago (6 children)

They exist to make money not help humanity. Open source don’t make them money so they will never bother

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

They exist to make money not help humanity.

From the article...

Greenberg spent many years developing the technology while working at the Alfred Mann Foundation, a nonprofit organization that develops biomedical devices

EDIT: For those challenging what I am saying, I was speaking towards his motives, when I responded to this comment …

They exist to make money not help humanity.

I was challenging the notion that he did not care about humanity, and just wanted the money.

Its ok to want to help others AND make money doing it. (Unfortunately) We live in a society where money is needed to exist.

EDIT2: I'm all for open source.

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[–] doctorcrimson 20 points 11 months ago

Open Source can and very often is profitable, though. Large companies like to trade technologies as assets, but a lot of people don't realize that as individuals they can claim full rights and ownership over their product while also making it free to use and modify.

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[–] BlackNo1@lemmy.world 189 points 11 months ago (6 children)

you better start believing in cyberpunk dystopias

YOURE LIVING IN ONE

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Can't wait to have to get a mandatory firmware update before my eyes or legs or something like that works again. I just hope Microsoft doesn't get in on the cybernetics business or it'll randomly happen while driving on the highway or forcefully fill your vision with blinding light for half an hour when you are trying to sleep.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 184 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This was the plot line to the movie Robots. The solution was socialized medicine.

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 92 points 11 months ago (14 children)

A more sinister example was Repo Men. In that movie, the tech still worked, but people were no longer able to keep up with the extortionate payments that came with the implant.

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

Yeah no wonder that was only in a sci fi movie, that really just sounds too unrealistic.

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[–] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 128 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I can't wait for when medical implants require a subscription so that I can routinely pay to live a normal life!

/s because it seems like it's still needed even if it feels obvious

[–] Azal@pawb.social 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Friend of mine just had to shell out $3000 for prescription drugs just for survival. Yes he's on insurance.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Kind of like prescription drugs? I'm already living that dream!

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[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 90 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sorry but you are obsolete sir. The suicide booth is right around the corner. You'll have to wait for bender to finish though.

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[–] C126@sh.itjust.works 76 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Hope they open source the tech or pirates get a hold of it.

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 124 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much a good argument for forcing companies to open source any tech like this once it loses support.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is the piece of legislation I truly wish to see. It either forces longer support periods or opening up the code. So win win.

[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those details need to be held by a 3rd party though, because if the company goes under, then the code and any critical information may become lost. Executives, employees, and other people might be fired or jump ship prior to any trigger points, so there could be no one that can be held accountable.

The FDA should hold everything necessary in escrow in perpetuity.

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[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like FDA approval requires holding all details of the technology, including all source code, in escrow.

If the company ever stops supporting the product, for any reason at all, all of the details become public property.

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[–] vexikron@lemmy.zip 63 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

It is the year 2038.

Adam Jensen, formerly a conspiracy busting mercenary badass, sits in a run down motel room in Hell's Kitchen, New York.

He didn't check in with much baggage, excepting a decade of extreme emotional and physical trauma. After he threw in the towel, decided to /really/ retire, he figured he would be able to live off of occasional PI work, and hell, maybe just crawling through some vent shafts until he got somewhere with a hidden cache he could sell to some idiot on the street, or just look for an ATM to ... reroute funds to his account through.

Lying on a bed that squeaks everytime he shifts his massive, nearly 400 pound augmented body in a vain attempt to find a position that allows him to drift into sleep... he decides maybe a drink will help.

He sits up. Creak. He yawns as he reaches toward the night stand table, cluttered with credsticks, EMP grenades, a pistol, and some strange looking prototype for a dual purpose, wall mountable, but also throwable explosive.

LAM? Was that the acronym they went with? Not important in the long run, just a souvenir from his last and final corporate espionage contract.

He blinks a few times and waits for his once bleeding edge, but now ancient occular implants to resolve his last remaining bottle of cognac.

As he reaches to take a pull, straight from the bottle... darkness. Moments later his vision of the cluttered nightstand table is replaced by a 600 x 480 jpeg, blown up to encompass the entirety of his approximately 8K total field of view and resolution.

It is an image... of text. Very low resolution... Papyrus font. It states that his occular implants will no longer be receiving any software updates, and that his implants are now out of warranty, and non compliant with a recently passed consumer safety law, and as such must be shut down for his protection.

Startled by the darkness, then abrupt disclaimer, then darkness again, Jensen fumbles while reaching for his drink. How... how is there an audio message thanking him for his purchase of the wrong model of occular implants... playing through his infolink? Shouldnt those sub systems be firewalled?

This is the last thought that ever passes through Jensen's mind.

In blindness, as the wrong corporate sound file played through the space between his ears, Jensen never realized he had knocked the prototype LAM off of the nightstand, which armed itself, beeped several times, and then exploded.

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Downstairs, a 3 year old Sandra Renton screams when one of her father's hotel rooms explodes, triggering fire suppression systems before the power goes out.

She stumbles out of the lobby out on to the street. A minute later her exasperated father, crying out for Sandra, finds her outside bawling. He embraces her and thanks God that she is alright.

While he was reaching down to grab his traumatized daughter, he noticed she was standing in a pile of ... broken glass?

Embracing his only child close to his heart, he looks up at the front entrance to the motel lobby.

It takes him a few moments to breathe deeply, more slowly, and eventually calm down enough to realize what has occured: The letters 'H', 'i', and 'l' were knocked off the wall by the explosion of Jensen's suite, leaving the neon sign advertising the name of the hotel to now read only as 'ton'. Sandra just happened to come to be standing in the debris field.

"What a shame," he sighs ... "what a shame."

-{====}-

Author's notes:

Sure, sure, you've heard about Chekov's gun...

... but what about Jensen's Lightweight Attack Munition?

=P

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is an image… of text. Very low resolution… Papyrus font.

Lmao

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Damn it, I wanted a Star Trek future, not a Neuromancer future!

[–] Kraivo@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Gonna admit, didn't expected to witness bionic eyes becoming obsolete in my lifetime.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 24 points 11 months ago

These folks won't witness it either. Not with that eye anyway.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (26 children)

This is the sort of thing I think of when people talk about "uploading their consciousness." Whose going to keep paying for that server uptime? Is Facebook going to acquire my brain and put it into cold storage while telling the world I'm not experiencing an eternity in solitary confinement?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 51 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I had heard about these two patients years ago, and I still can't believe the doctor's death was this much of a set back. Did he write nothing down? Or did the company itself simply mismanage everything about this shit? This article makes it sound like the latter.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 36 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's pretty common for people to have specialized knowledge that's only in their heads. In the software biz it's pretty much assumed that losing an engineer means losing some important knowledge, too.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (5 children)

if the company is functioning properly this is absolutely not the case

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 45 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I guess I've never worked for a company that functions properly, then. They must be pretty rare.

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[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 months ago

Even if absolutely everything is documented there is still the loss of familiarity and comfort working with a given system.

Having perfectly documented processes still might mean that a new engineer could take multiple hours following instructions to do what the person who originally built the system managed off the top of their head in fifteen minutes.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (4 children)

profitable medicine sure is for winners

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Exec@pawb.social 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

FYI This article is from February 2022.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Some shit literally out of a cyberpunk dystopia:

Others find their mods deactivated and drug regimens terminated when their gender subscriptions end. Several thousand “Platinum” and “Sunset Rose” gender subscribers recently found themselves in critical medical distress when Prakhet Identity Studios was bankrupted by rogue operators. In a spirit of public service, Nova Vida is generously providing a discounted, time-limited upgrade opportunity for these consumers into their similar but fuller-featured “Cordova” and “Spartan” gender products.

— Kevin Crawford, Cities Without Number

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago
[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

New Cyberpunk 2077 sidequest: hack the bionics company to restore people’s vision. Like a more murder-y version of Orbis.

[–] ryan@the.coolest.zone 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We already exist in a cyberpunk world, and people are just beginning to wake up to it. Implants that go obsolete, corporations controlling everything, the general sense of despair because you can't change the system, only rebel in hopes of improving the immediate life of yourself and those around you...

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[–] dojan@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This sort of tech needs to be heavily regulated in how proprietary it can be; not at fucking all.

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[–] doctorcrimson 19 points 11 months ago

I wonder what the costs would be to start a new company that works on the obsolete technology that Second Sight installed? I don't expect the 350+ receivers of the implants to be affluent enough to make it a profitable venture but knowing exactly what it takes to make the help they need available again would be nice.

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