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Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Watch as the Israeli talking heads wheel out this poll as an excuse for killing Gazan civilians.

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s the entire point of these polls

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

Wait, you mean that occupied oppressed People don't like being occupied and oppressed?????

[–] LollerCorleone@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

Most Palestinians alive today were born into what is practically an open-air prison that is cordoned off by Israel. Being oppressed is all they have known. Its obvious that they hate their colonisers. And all these bombings will only fuel that hatred.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's really disappointing and I can't help but wonder how much Israel constantly shelling civilians is helping to prop up a shitheel organization like Hamas.

[–] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s a logical outcome and it’s terrible.

[–] Gargantu8@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Almost like it's what netanyahu wanted

[–] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Israel funded and deliberately strengthened Hamas. Since Israel is the side with economic, technological, logistical and material superiority -

This is entirely their fault.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israel made this monster and I mean that literally. Politicians of Israel openly said Hamas is a useful tool for them. Israel itself funded Hamas.

As long as there is a "monster" there is a justification for an attack. It is genuinely fucking astounding how Israel looked at the treatment of Jews during WW2 and took that as a playbook instead of the most horrific thing to happen in the last century and something that shouldn't be repeated.

[–] 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Might be a dumb question but how reliable are polls in non democratic countries engaged in a hot war generally? Personally I'd be scared shitless to state anything than my utmost support for the leadership, anything else could easily get me killed..

[–] muelltonne@feddit.de 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah, you can't do a reliable poll in Palestine. Normally polls are done by calling random people and asking them about their opinion, but nobody in Hamas territory would give a random caller the answer that he hates Hamas because it also might be that it is Hamas who is calling. We also know that the phone network in Gaza is currently down, so you can't even call people.

Take a look at their method:

The sample size of this poll is 1231 adults, of whom 750 were interviewed face to face in the West Bank and 481 in the Gaza Strip in 121 randomly selected locations. The sample is representative of the residents of the two areas. Due to the war in the Gaza Strip, we conducted interviews in the central and southern regions inside the selected sample homes, with the exception of one displaced area, where residents were interviewed in the shelter area where they had taken refuge. As for the northern Gaza Strip, residents were interviewed in 24 shelter locations, of which 20 belonged to UNRWA and 4 to governmental institutions. A total of 250 interviews were conducted in these shelters, and another 21 were conducted in the homes of relatives and friends of displaced people from the north. Despite the large representative sample, the margin of error for this poll is +/-4. The increase in the margin of error is due to the lack of precision regarding the number of residents who stayed in their homes, or in shelters, in the northern parts of the Gaza Strip which we did not sample. http://www.pcpsr.org/

So they have field interviewers doing interviews with random refugees in the gaza strip during a cease fire. I'm not really sure if you could do a poll like that.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I'd do the same in that position. Fuck Israel.

[–] Sambarkjand@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You would roll up to a music festival and murder civilians?

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I'd start with learning how to read being you.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Are we allowed to say "both sides" in this situation?

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

3/4 pro terrorism....that's not exactly ideal.

[–] ShroOmeric@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Israelis are also mostly pro terrorism. Not exactly ideal.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

1\4 isn't, and that's surprising - with Hamas ruling Gaza and Israeli bombing it.

[–] filister@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean are you seriously surprised by those results? You can't kill an idea, you can replace it with a better idea. But with such an indiscriminate bombing and an international community who is still saying that Israel has the high moral ground, they feel betrayed by everyone but Hamas.

I don't like it either, but I think the majority of the human beings in their situation would react the same? Do you believe that if Israel and Palestine were living in peace and everyone was treated equally and with respect, Hamas would have been a political factor?

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They're betrayed by Hamas above all! Poor Palestinians have a government that's trying to get them all killed for propaganda

[–] filister@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah yes, Israel has nothing to do with the killings

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

No they're betrayed by israel and the west which pretend israel is not a Nazi like ethno-state