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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They are trying to transfer the Holocaust guilt onto the Palestinians.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

[–] m13@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Absolutely cursed.

Zionists are fascists.

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Hmm, I wonder why the German left would be sympathetic to the Jews having a secure homeland where they aren't attacked by people who deny their right to exist.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but you’d also expect Germans to speak up against perpetrators of genocide.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You’d expect Jewish people to do the same, and yet here we are…

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They are, and they have been going to jail.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/19/jewish-protest-israel-gaza-washington-dc

In Germany, though, there is "a new kind of McCarthyism" surrounding opposing genocide and war crimes when the perpetrator is Israel.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-17/germany-israel-gaza-antisemitism-holocaust-genocide-palestinians-solidarity

That's the whole point.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Some are. Some arent.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

Sure, in a hypothetical reality where denazification was successful.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

If you wanted Jews to be secure, Palestine isn’t the place. It is already has its own people, the Palestinians.

[–] oahi@aussie.zone 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

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[–] oahi@aussie.zone 5 points 9 months ago
[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

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[–] huginn@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

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[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago
[–] rcbrk@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Machine-generated summary courtesy of Kagi's summarizer (filling in for TL;DRbot):

Summary: The "anti-Germans" are a left-wing political movement in Germany that strongly supports Israel and criticizes any expression of solidarity with Palestine as anti-Semitic. While they began as a fringe group opposing German nationalism, they have now achieved mainstream success in promoting pro-Israel stances. They focus heavily on depicting Muslims and pro-Palestine activists as Nazis. Over time, the movement has moved away from leftist politics and toward anti-Muslim rhetoric and support for right-wing positions. Many of its stances have now been adopted more broadly in German policy and discourse. Although the group itself may be less influential, its radical anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim views have permeated German political life. Some former members have even gone on to respectable careers after pushing such views. In this way, the "anti-Germans" have had a significant impact on shaping Germany's approach to Israel and Palestine issues.

Dot points:

  • At a pro-Israel demonstration in Leipzig, Germany, flags of Israel and the antifa movement were flown together, showing the unusual alliance between pro-Israel and far-left groups in Germany.
  • The anti-Deutsch movement started as a radical left opposition to German nationalism but is now defined by its hardline support for Israel and criticism of any expression of solidarity with Palestine.
  • Support for Israel has become increasingly mainstream in German politics, while support for Palestine has been marginalized. The anti-Deutsch movement has found new relevance as a result.
  • The anti-Deutsch movement emerged in reaction to fears that German reunification could lead to a resurgence of German nationalism and Nazism. They blamed inherent flaws in German culture and identity for the Holocaust.
  • The movement's focus has shifted from criticizing capitalism to attacking Muslims and those expressing solidarity with Palestine as antisemites.
  • The anti-Deutsch movement takes an extreme stance, believing that any means are justified to secure Israel's existence as protection against antisemitism.
  • There have been attacks on pro-Palestine groups in Germany by those claiming to oppose antisemitism, showing the radicalization of some in the anti-Deutsch movement.
  • The anti-Deutsch movement's extreme anti-Muslim positions have aligned with conservative parties' rhetoric on issues like immigration.
  • While the anti-Deutsch movement's influence as a leftist group has waned, its anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim politics have become mainstream in German discourse.
  • Some former members of the anti-Deutsch movement have gone on to respectable careers in media and politics, showing how their views have diffused into the establishment.