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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 130 points 11 months ago (23 children)

I don't need a 27-page novel to know the temperature and time to cook something. I also don't want to he directed to Pintrest and be required to have an account. Honestly, I've started using Bing more often.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don’t need a 27-page novel to know the temperature and time to cook something.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/recipe-filter/

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 128 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (17 children)

YALL NEED KAGI.COM

Also:

Decentralise and build a toolbox, it's better for your brain.

[–] BulbasaurBabu@lemmings.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Keep your links, I'm going back to askjeeves

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (2 children)

SEO abuse has ruined the internet. We could've had something good.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 14 points 11 months ago

I worked very briefly for a company that was hirable to push websites for SEO. It was basically all young underpaid contractors and interns even the HR team except for upper management who was all the same people from their previous big company running telemarketing bullshit.

So yeah just want to add the usual suspects definitely had a hand in the enshitification of the search engine as you might think.

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[–] ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 31 points 11 months ago

'We didn't find many results matching the terms you wrote.'

THAT'S WHY I FUCKING WROTE THEM.

[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

I just get tired of jumping through hoops to find what I'm searching for... Instead of what Google wants me to see

[–] firadin@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like 90+% of the time I use Google, it's just because it's more convenient than going to the actual website I want. Like if I want a Wikipedia article about a movie, it turns out it's faster to type in the movie name in Google and click than go to Wikipedia and search the movie.

[–] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago

I used to do that to but then it started giving me info adjacent to what I was searching or a broader answer. Just got fed with that and the amount of sponsored search results.

[–] maniel@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

not sure about other languages, but with Polish Google is still the most useful one, Bing and DDG don't even hold a candle to it, that said i still think Google went to shit hard

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Honestly people keep saying this but I just don't find it to be true. Google is a vital daily resource for me, and usually the best way for me to find most things.

Is this because I don't use social networks? Are people somehow using Instagram or TikTok as search engines to find what they're looking for? It feels like people just use social networks these days and nothing else, so maybe that's it?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 79 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's say I want to find an aftermarket built-in air jack kit for a car. Nevermind why, but let's say it's what I want to find.

So I look up car air lift jack. Google spits back a grid of floor air bag jacks for sale, a stack of videos of floor air bag jacks by people trying to sell them, Another grid of floor air bag jacks for sale, then finally a couple of the kind that go on a car, and godammnit another grid of floor air bag jacks for sale, finally sponsored posts for floor jacks or the wrong kind, Amazon ads for the same thing, ads for brands of the floor jacks, and more, more, more, makers of the wrong thing, lowes, home depot, walmart...it's all wrong.

So the very next words out of your mouth are "Well, you used the wrong search term!" No, not really, but let's try getting rid of "bag", because that seems to be a big incorrect return on the search. So in goes "-bag" to the search term. What does that get us?

The exact same fucking thing. "-" is meaningless anymore.

So that's google now.

Want help with a tech problem?

Wade through a stack of a dozen shitty youtube videos 10 minutes long each (because google pays more for ad space, longer videos have more space, so those get pushed to the top, and a problem that would take a paragraph of text to solve now becomes a shitty video with blather, subscribe, previous videos, like, other videos, and 2 minutes of actual help), a bunch of sponsored links to tech makers that have shit to do with your problem, and SEO sites like solveyourtechproblem.com or wefixitgood.com or whatever BS name for sites that consist of boilerplate help like "did you turn it off and on again?" Maybe after all that you'll get an out of date reddit or github list of posts that don't have anything to do with your exact issue. So you put it in quotes, that should work, right?

"It looks like there aren't many great matches for your search" says google.

Why? I dunno. Not enough returns on the search to cram ads, sponsored links, shit for sale in?

Google is shit. I've switched to DDG. It has it's own frustrations, but at least I don't have to put up with Google cramming every ad and sponsored link in front of me along with garbage SEO sites. Google's heyday has ended.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

The troubleshooting you list here second is my primary use for a Google search and it is completely garbage. Just like you say, it's a bunch of trash SEO sites that don't really address the problem so most of the time I add reddit to the search to get legit answers. Because reddit has a garbage search engine, of course.

Though I have to admit I have given up on that and just use DDG to search for Reddit results. It used to be that I'd start on DDG and if it didn't have what I need I'd go to Google, but Google search has gotten so bad that I almost never bother anymore.

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've been doing a lot of searches lately about running, picking shoes, overpronation, training schedules, etc.

Straight google searches (ones that would have returned worthwhile results even ten years ago) are all trying to sell me something, or are AI generated content filler garbage.

I have to add "reddit" to every search in order to get real information from normal people.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Of course it has, and this effect was completely foreseeable, and indeed, was foreseen, from the very moment they decided to whore themselves out with that IPO. They took their role as custodian of the baby internet and became a pimp.

Stop calling it anything else. As a musician, I promise you, trying to promote yourself online feels like prostitution. If you've ever tried, then you know too. The only difference is if I were a prostitute I might actually make some money back.

[–] jezebelley3d@lemmy.zip 26 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Duckduckgo is not only privacy centric but now it has better results than Google. Google is floundering in every area of their business lately. Pixel phones still have a very small niche share of the market, their search is garbage, chat gpt is a better AI than bard by miles, and their productivity suite is just as readily replaced by libreoffice or office 365.

The only thing Google has anymore is YouTube.

[–] Guster@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

And YouTube is completely unusable without paying or adblock. Letting literal scams market on their platform

[–] henrikx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just wanted to chime in and say that I am super happy with my Pixel 7 so far. Easily one of the best phones out there, especially considering the price.

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[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (8 children)

What are y'all searching for that Google search isn't working for you anymore? Like, genuinely, I'm baffled by this.

[–] krudorass@sh.itjust.works 52 points 11 months ago (8 children)

A typical example is more popular searches crowding out actual answers to your question.

I have had this a lot of times with IT problems, I am a sys admin and google a ton of things related to my job. But 5 out of 10 times some keyword will relate to a simple problem many people have with their pc and all relative answers to my exact question get drowned out.

Google anything related to 'laptop monitor turn off' and you will only find results telling you how to turn of sleep when you close the lid. No matter how much syntaxing or formatting you do with your search

[–] Nommer@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago

I'm not even a sysadmin, just a power user and this infuriates me to no end. I gave up on a search just a couple days ago because I kept getting bottom tier answers. Like thanks but I already know how to use my computer, now tell me how to fix this problem.

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[–] doctorn@r.nf 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Torrents, modded apk's,...

Check out my results for some chinese download service called "Content Plaza" for example:

Google:

Yandex:

Like, 2? On the 'entire' internet? 2? Right...

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Was Yandex respecting your query there?

Added quotation marks for “terabox” as well, and it was fascinating across providers:

Yandex agreed with your Google search…

…but not mine:

DDG coming in with one result:

Startpage, just one result?!

…nope, not from the “mobile site”:

Bing didn’t care about those silly quotation marks, here are a thousand results:

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[–] girl@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Google straight up lies to me about movies an actor has been in, almost every time. “Wow, I had no idea Robert Downey Jr was in Mean Girls! Who did he play?” checks imdb “no he fuckin wasn’t wtf google” (this is an arbitrary example I just made up because I don’t feel like finding a real one right now)

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Search engines funded by ads have this perverse incentive to not give you the best possible results (or at least stop trying so hard to improve their results) so you search more (and thus served more ads). This may not be true for the underdogs (because they're trying to gain marketshare) but seems to be especially true for Google.

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

i test all web search engines the same way:

  • punch in "Python itertools"
  • see if the official Python.org documentation for itertools is the top result.

if it's not, then the search engine is contaminated with advertised or SEO optimized results and it's wasting my time

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 17 points 11 months ago

I started self hosting a SearxNG instance. It's pretty cool, it combines several engines while not spying on you.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Kagi has kicked ass for me. Its paid, but you get what you pay for.

The only sore spot is image search.

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[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

duckduckgo has been fine for me

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Google's search engine has gotten lazy, with the first dozen or more hits being YouTube and Reddit results.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What if these are primary places where user generated content lives now? Independent blogs are as good as dead, and social networks are walled gardens, sometimes populated by self regurgitating robots.

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[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

Nowadays i find myself leaning the old ways: browser bookmarks. Not long ago, search was so good that i stopped using them.

[–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, If the search is about something relatively obscure then 50% of the links are random letters and numbers or worse, believable looking links that are riddled with viruses.

[–] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ive not used it in a long time, so I'm ootl. What's going on with their search?

[–] So_zetta_slowpoke@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 45 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's not really the ads on Google Search itself that break it.

It's that almost every result is some automatically generated spam created entirely in response to Google's algorithms. And it's those pages that are covered in ads. Google broke the internet.

You can still get what you're looking for, but I home in on results that look like forums or other actual user generated content. Didn't even realise I was doing it tbh. I just mentally filter out most of the shit.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Which is why I stopped going since about 4 years ago now. One day I just went to a different mall, and never looked back

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