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Japan prepares regulation requiring Apple to allow sideloading::As the Digital Markets Act antitrust law passed in the European Union, Apple has until March 2024 to let users...

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[-] pearable@lemmy.ml 100 points 6 months ago

Having app developers be able to avoid Apples forced 30% fee is great. The fee is pure rent seeking masquerading as curation.

[-] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 43 points 6 months ago

30% might be a bit much, but Apple and Google are offering ongoing services for the price you pay as a developer. From hosting, to payment processing and APIs you can use in your apps, I think what they're offering has some monetary value that would be acceptable if it wasn't so damn much. I don't think it's toxic rent-seeking in and of itself. What's pretty toxic is that there's no way around those fees on Apple phones and tablets.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

The #1 thing they provide is exposure.

The vast majority of users simply won't download and install something they find on a website on their phones.

[-] aubertlone@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Thankfully, it seems like places like the EU and now Japan are considering ALL use cases, not just the majority of them.

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[-] pearable@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Agreed, If it wasn't a forced arrangement I wouldn't necessarily nave a problem with the price

[-] linuxdweeb@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

I suspect you're just repeating arguments you've heard, so don't take this internet rage personally, but that is complete bullshit.

  • Hosting costs nothing. Devs will gladly foot the bill for that if given the option. Even if you distribute your apps on AWS (which is notorious for severely overcharging on egress), your expenses will be no where near 15%-30% of your revenue.

  • Payment processing is a competitive field outside the appstores. Even 15%-30% is ludicrous when "overpriced" processors like stripe charge 2%-3%

  • APIs are not something sold to developers. They build them as part of the operating system because they have to. That's how it works. They could try selling licenses, but it would result in devs not building on their fancy new features.

(you didn't mention the ones below, but people with your argument usually do, so I'm adding them for completeness)

  • Security is also bullshit. The Appstore and Play store are FILLED with malware. It is not physically possible to manually review the sheer volume of apps published to those stores. They also are not incentivized to improve the process much, because each time your kid or grandma accidentally activates a $40/week subscription, Apple/Google take a 15%-30% cut.

  • Curation/promotion is bullshit. Discoverability on these stores has always been bad, but has been particularly awful since both Apple/Google have started selling search ads in the store. The other day I almost accidentally downloaded a fake ChatGPT app because it was the first result when I searched, it had a very similar icon, "ChatGPT" in the name, 5 stars, and millions of downloads.

These stores also heavily incentivize devs to push subscriptions. I suspect (but haven't confirmed) that the Appstore and Google Play both rank subscription based apps higher than others, and subs tend to pay a lower revshare fee than other monetization types.

I could go on all day about the rotten dumpster fires that are these disgusting stores. The only people who defend them are fanboys and people who have never actually had to deal with them professionally.

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Their curation is terrible too. The app store has so much shovelware crap

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago

legislation is expected to be sent to parliament next year and focuses on four areas: app stores and payments, search, browsers, and operating systems.

We also get Linux on iPhones??

And the talk is just about sideloading... :-)

[-] electric@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Big if true. Apple owners might actually be owners of their devices.

[-] driveway@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 months ago
[-] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

By and large, probably... But I don't think it's true for everyone.

As an iPad owner myself, I would love to ditch the OS! And I suppose alternative OSes would be pretty popular with the people jailbreaking their phones.

I don't want to impose alternative OSes on others. I would just like the option for me!

[-] flooppoolf@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Go see all the crazy kids on r/jailbreak asking the same questions over and over

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

Not true. I'd love to be able to jailbreak again. I'm locked in to the ecosystem by work and a backlog of apps 15 years deep.

Granted I'm on Lemmy so I guess I'm not a normal iOS user

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 62 points 6 months ago

Based Japan once again. I would love to see other countries requiring this too, but I'm not going to hold my breath unfortunately.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I mean, the EU has already done this and now Japan is doing the same. So i guess it's very well possible that other countries besides Japan will also follow suit.

[-] Cicraft@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Hehe Brussels effect go brrrr

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[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

I tried to install an old version of San Andreas recently on my phone cause the last update broke controller support (which I actually bought with money).

Apparently we don't own our Android OBB directories anymore because of "safety".

So far the "we Android users already have this"...

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 51 points 6 months ago

Yep, it's unfortunate that manufacturers are taking more and more control away from users. That's why open-source software like Linux is so important, you can do anything you want to with it.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

Back in the old days, Android OS used to be Open Source. You can still get firmware built up from the last release, such as CalyxOS, but in order to install it you have to buy directly from Google with the Bootloader Unlocked as a feature.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Not really. Fairphone also has the Bootloader unlocked.

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

That's true.

[-] berrodeguarana@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 6 months ago

Are Fairphones feasible right now if one wants to play even intense games like emulating PS2 or Switch?

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[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

God I miss the old days of android...the OG droid, everything was unlockable, no fuckery. Google hadn't yet slowly started adding data collection by ways of slowing moving functionality away from the core AOSP.

It still is open source, btw. But they're just intentionally choking it to death. They've recently announced they're not going to maintain the open source PHONE APP...FOR THEIR PHONES....for christ sake. They've even had a new replacement OS in the works for a couple years.

[-] DanVctr@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish sadly

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[-] FMEEE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 months ago

Yeah Android is Linux. But Manufactures are limiting it so hard that it is sometimes nearly impossible to get a custom ROM on the phone.

[-] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes. The openess of the operating system is meaningless if the phone's firmware isn't open.

[-] giggling_engine@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

It's open source so that anyone can manufacture a phone for it (good for business), not so you could install whatever you want on the hardware (bad for business)...

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[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 50 points 6 months ago

sideloading would be nice; i have no idea how people can get proper work done on an ipad as of now (especially with apple at one point acting like it was only a matter of time for them to replace laptops). everything is so overly glossy and surface level and designed for children or the elderly; you can't actually DO anything!

[-] M500@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

Even with side loading, you will still be pretty limited as the iPad is decently locked down. First of all it needs a decent window manager. That alone would go a long way.

But honestly, these things should be running full blown macOS when they are docked to a mouse and keyboard.

They had an 11” air at one point, so screen size can’t be the issue.

[-] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

This could be the real "pro" iPhone. Running m3, acting as a phone by itself and throwing a full macOS with Office and Adobe Cloud apps when docked.

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[-] M500@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Yuh-huh! Just get a terminal emulator from the App Store. I will be just a few dollars a month. Then you can ssh into a Linux server you have somewhere.

See it’s an entire computer!

[-] Speculater@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago
[-] M500@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago

No you do not get it.

At Apple we make magical devices that are unlike anything done before. We have truly revolutionized computing with over priced hardware.

If you don’t have a Mac then you are not cool and not good at your job.

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[-] irish_link@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Cool. This would be great. Hopefully a push to allow that in all other countries.

[-] chitak166@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Now that's what I'm talking about.

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