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Is there drama or a story I'm missing? As I understand it, from lemmy.world I can see their posts but they cannot see mine. Why did beehaw block lemmy.world?

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's no actual drama. It's just that Beehaw admins have a specific view on how their instance should be, and for that they need stricter behaviour and content control. Based on that they defederated lemmy.world due to [ipsis digitis] "inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users".

I am not too big of a fan of defederation, nor of stricter admin/moderator control, but in this specific case I can understand and agree with their decision, even if I use content from both instances - it makes sense in the context.

[–] lamermann@preserve.games 3 points 1 year ago

True, it makes sense if that were their vision.

[–] mizu6079@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From what I understand, LW users were posting lower quality content after a huge amount of Reddit users flooded into it and the Beehaw admins were tired of it so they defederated.

[–] Elkaki123@vlemmy.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone interested, they explained the reasoning behind this particular defederation here:

https://docs.beehaw.org/docs/important-questions-decisions-and-reflections/on-defederation/

At the end of the day beehaw wants to be tightly moderated and it's kind of imposible to properly moderate huge amounts of users at the moment with their tools so they decided to ban big instances that don't require any verification to join

[–] lamermann@preserve.games 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ah. Technically, could they re-federate with Lemmy.world whenever they want or does re-federation require some sort of approval from lemmy.world admins?

[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m hoping they will. I subscribed to some beehaw communities that look appealing. I chose Lemmy.world out of convenience and I also appreciate the dude behind it…once things settle it would be sad if they don’t allow any LW people because of a few shitposters.

[–] Elkaki123@vlemmy.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you considered making an account there (or on a non blocked lemmy instance), especially with how most apps I've used allow for multiple accounts and changing with two taps I don't think there is much reason not tp make an account in the meantime.

[–] mysoulishome@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not a bad idea

As long as .world doesn't defederate them back, Beehaw can re-federate whenever they want.

[–] mizu6079@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure. Sorry.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's just that the moderation tools aren't yet there to allow a server that wants low drama to federate with a server that's attracting a lot of general-public attention.

[–] lamermann@preserve.games 2 points 1 year ago

Good point. I assume they'll improve as time goes on.

[–] lamermann@preserve.games 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the links! I guess that's the power of the Fediverse; everyone can do or not do their own thing. ☺️

[–] skomposzczet@vlemmy.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly not anyone, only admins. Beehaw situation is risk with big instances. At least it's easy to change one if you start to dislike current.

[–] GreatBlue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

But anyone can set up an instance and become admin 😉

[–] carnha@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can read their original announcement and reasoning here: https://beehaw.org/post/567170

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