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It’s possible that the enforcement of a rate limit isn’t because of AI scraping, but rather because they failed to migrate before the June 30th deadline.

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[–] Danatronic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's so fucking funny how Twitter and Reddit are imploding on the exact same day lmao.

[–] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Spez did say Musk's Twitter was something to be admired and emulated lol

[–] xXxDickBonerz69xXx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is reddit actually imploding or is it just business as usual?

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on where you go.

Subs like r/worldnews and r/tech have bottom of the barrel comments, but still manage to get some posts.

r/IAmA had many of the mods leave, so the remaining ones are stopping all "out of Reddit" activities, like recruiting celebrities, verifying identities, and so on. It's pretty much worthless now.

Small niche subs are still working, but the equivalent communities on Lemmy are getting better quality right now.

[–] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Worldnews has always skewed a little to the right but the comments I read on a post about the immigrants drowning absolutely disgusted me

[–] ilir@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

a little to the right

Not just a little.

[–] ijeff@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

It's too early to tell but I'm spending more time on Lemmy.

[–] TheHog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I, and many others, truly believe it is deliberate and orchestrated, primeraly to shut down the likes of r/superstonk and other subs that are fighting wall street corruption.

[–] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know what will happen with Twitter. Maybe it succeeds, maybe it fails, maybe it just keeps humming along in mediocrity. But what I do know is that wherever it ends up, there was surely a much simpler way to get there.

[–] Tandybaum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I used to work for a local company that sold parts to Tesla. They were a huge nightmare and wouldn’t pay us. I think that is their whole deal. Not paying the small companies.

FUCK them

[–] BornVolcano@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Image Transcription: News Article Screenshot:


[A screenshot of a section of an article by the news outlet "Engadget". Text reads as follows.]

More platform instability could be in Twitter's near future. In 2018, Twitter signed a $1 billion contract with Google to host some of its services on the company's Google Cloud servers. [Hyperlink begins] Platformer reports [Hyperlink ends] Twitter recently refused to pay the search giant ahead of the contract's [Highlighted in yellow] June 30th renewal date. [Highlighting ends] Twitter is reportedly rushing to move as many services off of Google's infrastructure before the contract expires, but the effort is "running behind schedule," putting some tools, including Smyte, a platform the company [Hyperlink begins] acquired in 2018 [Hyperlink ends] to bolster its moderation capabilities, in danger of going offline.


^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^

[–] Teriser@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

You're doing important work! Just wanted to drop a small correction, the news outlet is actually called "engadget" Cheers!

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Twitter was an important unifying communications tool during the Arab Spring. The Arab spring was a threat to biz as usual in places like Saudi Arabia. The second largest investor in Twitter is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia killed and dismembered a journalist from the US, more or less in plain sight. Elon is now killing and dismembering Twitter in plain sight to limit its power as a unifying tool that stands as a demonstrable, active threat to capitalism and oligarchs around the world.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires. It's part of why spez is trying to tank Reddit. Remember how dangerous Reddit was to capitalism's status quo around the time of GME/Robinhood/Antiwork recently.

The specific moment we're in right now is meant to shatter consolidated organizing power on Reddit as we splinter into several smaller alternative platforms (or for some, disconnect entirely). Not saying we shouldn't be in Lemmy, but calling out the larger reality of the moment.

Billionaires do favors for other billionaires.

[–] Myro@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a bit too much conspiracy for my taste, but for sure, billionaires don't do anything for our good.

[–] rbhfd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Billionairs look out for themselves first and foremost. They try to maximise their profit.

Musk wants to push more people to pay for verified. The reddit board (not only Spez) wants people to download their app to make it seem like their growing right before their IPO, while simultaneously forcing more ad views. Probably downloading the app also lets them track a lot of extra data about you as well.

No conspiracy needed to explain all this.

[–] wanderingmagus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's probably a combination of self-DDOSing and not paying providers. Which any intelligent experienced dev could've told him, but they all got fired months ago.

[–] Found@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Its almost like the developers were holding the site together.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 1 points 1 year ago

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/twitter-ceo-starts-fighting-musks-battles-paying-musks-overdue-bills/

They paid the google bill. So far it’s the only one I’ve seen them pay and who knows if they’ll continue.

[–] Metriximor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao just how much worse can it get. What a trip Elon

[–] bigshrekeggplant@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought google charges as-you-go.

[–] AClassyGentleman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

For the average user maybe, but for a client as big as Twitter they're probably going to want to take a more hands-on/careful approach, so whatever's in the contract would probably supersede their standard terms.

[–] LastPirate@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is this guy’s problem?

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When all this crap started, my guess was that he is some sort of captured asset that's using his position to sabotage the platform to hinder free speech. Initially, he was so strongly targeting any anti-trump/anti-republican assets that it seemed blatantly obvious, but my money is on Russia or China. China being the more obvious option, given they supply a lot of Tesla's materials.

That's all conjecture of course, he could just be an insane despot cutting his nose off to spite his face like Steve Huffman.

[–] TheOneAndOnly@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I had a similar thought... It stands to reason.

[–] cristalcommons@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i wonder if we will end using personal webpages with FOSS/affordable domains and integration to forums and video platforms, just to avoid some crazy CEO screwing our content again.

i think social media was good, but we gave the CEOs too much power over our content and accounts.

so... we went from "social media is where society creates media" to "social media is where tech CEO's control and keep society's media hostage".

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

i wonder if we will end using personal webpages with FOSS/affordable domains and integration to forums and video platforms, just to avoid some crazy CEO screwing our content again.

That's what we had before. And it never stopped to exist, it just dwindled out for convenience.

  • no more personal website but just a "facebook page", for convenience
  • no integration between sites, just a few huge ones, for convenience
  • no customisation and personal expression but large, uniformised experience, for convenience
  • no small hosting and individual presence online, just a few massive (corporate) infrastructures graciously given to us, for convenience
  • no control over policies and content, just be happy with what our generous overlord allows us to do, for convenience

The "fediverse" is a step in the good direction, but as long as the general user don't care, these huge services will keep being the "main" internet for the forseeable future. Even abusing the userbase and getting batshit crazy with rules and restrictions isn't stopping them.

Meanwhile, some of us are happy on out littler corner of the internet, using RSS to see what's new on individual websites, and depending on services that are either sanely hosted or even self-hosted and interoperable. But that's not for everyone.

[–] dreadedsemi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you know? Paying your bills is woke

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

"Bills" is now considered a slur on Twitter.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's up with billionaires and not paying their bills?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think I got rich by paying people?

[–] the_itsb@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is so much more true than I think most people believe.

My husband and I have a small engine business, and I took a free "community entrepreneur bootcamp" class through the local university this spring in the hope that we might learn something helpful. Instead, I learned fun things like leaning on your customers' fears as a marketing tactic (?? 😔🤦) and that the most prominent local accountant - brought in as an expert speaker by the university! - advises his clients to pay as little as possible as late as possible, and most appallingly, I'm not exaggerating, these are the actual words I heard this man say in front of a room full of people: "if one of your employees gets hurt at your business, it's better for you to stand on their neck until they stop breathing than to call for help, because it's so much easier and cheaper to settle a death claim then an injury." And he actually said that it sounds like he's joking but he's not, this is his understanding of the situation.

I genuinely want to see the best in everyone, and I have never before had the experience of fantasizing about a person's death while they were talking in front of me, and it was abhorrent and awful but also... Wtf? How do we even help someone who sees other people as expendable tools the way this person does?

What can we even do about people who not only don't want to live up to their agreements and commitments, but are just straight up out to fuck everyone else over? How do we help/fix that?

[–] MysticSmear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds very similar to when I was in seminary. They literally had classes on how to manipulate your audience. How to “use vocal patterns and body language to make yourself appear more sincere.”

People severely underestimate how many shitty people there are in this world (and even those who appear trustworthy) that would eat your firstborn to increase their net worth if it wasn’t illegal.

[–] MikeHfuhruhurr@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read an article years ago that explained why so many people get "religious" feelings at big revival-type events at Six Flags, Carowinds, etc, even if they're not particularly devout.

There's a thing called respiratory alkalosis (essentially hyperventilation) which makes you light-headed and confused. At it's really easy to trigger by making people stand up quickly, sing really hard, sit back down, stand up and cheer, etc.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That sounds interesting! Do you remember where you found it? I would love to read it.

[–] MikeHfuhruhurr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'll try to look for it. It was a loooong time ago though.

[–] MikeHfuhruhurr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm back! I couldn't find the specific thing I read, but I found something probably better, an actual study published in Pubmed:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8871314/

Statistical analyses showed that the psychological disposition during the religious worship experience speeds up the physiological responses, which was indicated by increases in HR [hear rate] and RR [respiratory rate]. Hence, the activation hypothesis was accepted, and the pacification hypothesis was rejected.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! You made my day, my good lemming.

The conclusion fits what you said earlier, and it is easy to see how this is probably used cynically for these cult bro events:

The first analysis was an exploration of the physiological data, where it was seen that HR and RR were significantly correlated. The values of how strongly the participants were able to focus on God were strongly associated with the intensity of the experience as well as with the physiological variables

[–] MikeHfuhruhurr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You're welcome! I had a personal experience with this, too.

When I was a kid, my parents used to make me go to church and youth group stuff. We went to one of those "hip" events at Carowinds (like a Six Flags, Disney type amusement park). Before it started our youth leader said - to his credit - "No matter what you feel, DO NOT go down to the front when they call people up."

Sure enough towards the end, I start feeling "the spirit", and I'm the most skeptical, atheist/agnostic in the whole group. But I stayed in my seat. And when we got back to the hotel I was thinking "what the hell happened there?"

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[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

At this point I have no idea if twitter dying is a planned thing or mismanagement. I made my profile my freshman year of high school and never logged back on. The only thing I'll miss is having a general place for quick updates on projects that I'm keeping an eye on. Guess it's time to fully utilized discord.

[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point I have no idea if twitter dying is a planned thing or mismanagement. I made my profile my freshman year of high school and never logged back on. The only thing I'll miss is having a general place for quick updates on projects that I'm keeping an eye on. Guess it's time to fully utilized discord.

[–] Strangian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah Elon is an idiot, but its hard to believe someone could burn Twitter to the ground this fast unintentionally

[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Especially with how much money was spent on acquiring it. If it is on purpose, he has unimaginable capital.

[–] UmbrellAssassin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Especially with how much money was spent on acquiring it. If it is on purpose, he has unimaginable capital.