cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1085036
I personally feel as if its like polluting the fediverse!
I just started the use the fediverse to get away from Meta (I have a somewhat active Instagram) and Reddit.
Now unfortunately my userbase is going to threads without knowing what it even is. I'm trying to spread awareness about the fediverse but it's like yelling into the void. I signed up for threads and will continue to try to post content about the fediverse, but I also have to have an audience to share my art to as I'm trying to build some interest for a game I'm making.
This really sucks. I feel extremely upset about this whole meta thing. I could continue to try to build from scratch, but I am hoping to release the game next year and I already have 3 years head start on Instagram, it feels bad to also just abandon what I've worked hard on.
I dunno, I'm just venting. I hate Meta. I don't even have a actual Facebook account. Hell I didn't know Facebook owned Instagram until a year in.
I'll just try to continue to stay active on my fediverse accounts. And try to promote the fediverse on the centralized BS networks.
Hey man don't overthink it. You need a meta product for work or for a project, just use it professionally. You need to think about your own success and go where your audience is.
Now on your personal time if you don't want the toxicity of those places come to the fediverse and let's have a nice chat.
I think the goal of the fediverse is not to eat the world but on the contrary to give us alternatives so we can compartmentalize our internet life.
Thank you so much, seeing the whole threads thing ruined my day yesterday night and this morning. I felt like a sense of hopelessness for the future of decentralized platforms.
You're right, I can continue to use both for different purposes.
Thank you so much. Seriously!
Oh man happy to help! And good luck on your game project, drop us a link sometime!
hey dude it's been ruining my night/morning too. you're not alone at least
I’d delete my account and join an instance that would defederate from corporations
I'm interested in seeing how the enshittification of Threads will unfold. It's all super neat and cozy right now with a clean UI, no ads, not many sign up nags, and such. When they build up their userbase, we'll see how the platform devolves.
This article sums up what has happened a few times already: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
This isn’t any different.
Thanks for that article, was a great read. Hope history doesn't repeat.
I said in a different thread but: It's a good, and very scary, reading but I would argue that it does not directly translate here because Lemmy / Kbin and Reddit are not social media per se, they are content focused instead of being person focus. Here no one cares who you are, we are all here for content. The XMPP EEE succeeded because once defederated people were not able to talk to their friends, defederating Threads would cut us off from strangers and their content, it's not a big deal.
We'll see what happens, hopefully the Fediverse will not be another free social media attempt killed by greedy corporates.
It surely won't take long. I'm expecting a speedrun.
Enshittification Any% WR
I'm also concerned about the potential for embrace/extend/extinguish, but searching for other fediverse users and posts is enough of a hurdle that threads might end up naturally staying a fairly separate instance.
Honestly I don't think the fediverse is big enough for zuck to consider it a threat.
Moved to Fediverse to get away from the data hoarding and selling that those types of companies partake in. Really hope most instances will defederate from threads and prevent Meta from collecting more data.
They will collect or probably are already collecting. Even if everyone defederate from Threads, they can and will open a secret instance and get all the data without anyone knowing it
The only thing they can collect (as long as you aren’t on their services) are the things that are available for the entire world to see. So your comments, usernames etc. are already visible and they won’t get any of your personal data as that’s not known except to your instances admins.
Can somebody explain me exactly how defederating them would give us a different outcome?
I'm genuinely curious.
Meta couldn't give less fucks about 100k users on lemmy, they are targeting people that isn't and will never use nor understand what the fediverse is.
You keep them out, good. They don't care, they just want to fill their own bucket with stuff that is outside anyway
Twitter people going to threads is completely independent from anything in the fediverse. Those people won't even notice any difference if they are federated or not.
They are in for the brand and the fomo, not the content
Defederation isn’t about punishing them. It’s about keeping their garbage off this platform, and keeping it separate.
That's good, but people are proposing it as a defense against an eventual EEE, that's what I don't get
Some clever coding genius should host an instance for a bot they make that stays federated with everyone, and the entire point of the bot is to crawl across posts and anyone posting from Threads gets a nice public reply about why Threads is a toxic instance and they should switch to a non-Meta one immediately.
You absolute legend, I'm disappointed I can't code now..
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
If Kbin or Lemmy allows them to federate with us, I'm out of here.
Same. If kbin joins in, I'm gone. I haven't been here long enough to give a fuck, but I do love it. I want kbin and Lemmy to make the right decision, but won't think twice about leaving the second I see things taking an enshittified turn. Fuck off, Meta - nobody wants you here.
The beauty of this all is that you can just head to a different Kbin or Lemmy instance. There absolutely will be instances that refuse to federate with Meta.
I felt the same way but then I read this and changed my mind about it https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
Thinking about it I'm in an European country where Whatsapp is the default messenger app, if it had interoperability I could be on another FOSS app and be tracked by Meta just when I talk to people who are on Whatsapp and be free when talking to people not on Whatsapp, this could be great to make people switch "clients", which is damn hard now because "everyone is on Whatsapp". Interoperability is the shit and we should embrace it!
No, we should not embrace interoperability with them. Read this https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Don't let them get the foot in the door. Preemptively block everything.
In addition, Facebook already had support for XMPP at some point in time but killed it.
Why? Because they couldn't dry users off other platforms after Google closed their own support for XMPP.
Even if Meta "play nice", we already know their aim. Siphon users off mastodon and then remove activityPub support when most servers are on life support from loss of users.
There's nothing here to leave from in the first place, this place is pretty much empty at the moment. At least when a big player joins the fediverse it will bring users here and we will finally get decent content. The good thing about the fediverse is that the bad actors can just be defederated if things get too bad, unlike reddit for example.
Is it possible to defederate them as a preventive measure?
Right now I think getting people familiar with the fedeverse is a good thing
Nothing good will come from meta, ever. They will alway look for a way to corrupt any social media to their favor in order try to dominate the Web. At this point of the internet history anyone giving a speck of trust to them is dream walking into a disaster waiting to happen.
If meta pushes this it will be to brand themselves with decentralized social media. The average person will associate the concept with meta and assume it was a meta invention. This may be a long play by meta to get in front of things like mastodon/lemmy/kbin/etc and become an established player in the space to the laymen before the actual established players can do so
It’s a gross misuse of their obscene power bordering on monopoly and hardly a good thing. Even if the above isn’t true they will 100% use it to harvest as much data as humanly possible without consent and tons more if you’re stupid enough to give them consent. They will tune algorithms to feed people rage bait and stupid bullshit to drive engagement at all costs. And they’ll load it with intrusive targeted advertising
Fuck meta
I agree, but I don't think Facebook is going to openly promote the ability to choose instances or explain federated software. I'm pretty sure everything that makes the fediverse cool is going to be hidden from users.
The problem is you don’t want the kind of people Meta will bring here to be here. Also the fact that they’ll take all your info and sell it to every company and government on Earth.
The instance I'm on has already preemptively defederated/blocked Threads.
FWIW their doc about the fediverse:
Did someone expect otherwise? That may be why they're not in EU yet, that should be (legally) impossible under GDPR.
Threads, where you can live in a pretend simulation that your ass isn't owned by Captain Facebook.
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