this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2024
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Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

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[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago
[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

No... this seems like pure revisionism and potential philistinism...

Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, if not DPRK should be critically supported at the very least...

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Not to be all "I called it", but I knew there was a post like this in your future.

[–] RedDawn@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

What does “toning down” mean? Like lie about what we know to be true? Fuck that, they’re the ones that are misinformed and they’ll never learn if the only people that manage to have actually become informed despite all the propaganda are too afraid to speak truth.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[–] doesntmatter@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this is sooooooooooo bad i hope anyone who looks at this reads the 10 billion comments explaining why

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Is this a bit

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago
[–] voight@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

[2nd] Samir Amin - EUROCENTRISM (2010, NYU Press) - libgen_1.li.epub 0.3 MB https://files.catbox.moe/7p7ty8.epub

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[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any individual, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

no, it's fun. as long as i can clown on stalin (he is dead, he doesn't care).

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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago
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