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Why is the Node ecosystem so demanding? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago by planish@sh.itjust.works to c/programming@programming.dev
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Steps to reproduce:

  1. Start a Node project that uses at least five direct dependencies.
  2. Leave it alone for three months.
  3. Come back and try to install it.

Something in the dependency tree will yell at you that it is deprecated or discontinued. That thing will not be one of your direct dependencies.

NPM will tell you that you have at least one security vulnerability. At least one of the vulnerabilities will be impossible to trigger in your particular application. At least one of the vulnerabilities will not be able to be fixed by updating the versions of your dependencies.

(I am sure I exaggerate, but not by much!)

Why is it like this? How many hours per week does this running-to-stay-in-place cost the average Node project? How many hours per week of developer time is the minimum viable Node project actually supposed to have available?

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[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Deno solves this problem :)

[–] Sigmatics@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Because 99% of Node projects are web related, and if something's vulnerable on the web it won't take long to be abused

[–] bouncing@partizle.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At least part of it is that JavaScript is not really a batteries included language like Python or Java to even PHP.

You can’t really do anything productive without relying on a third party library.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All the languages you mentioned have some core APIs included and need to rely on third party libraries for more.

[–] bouncing@partizle.com -1 points 2 years ago

Yes, that's true, but JavaScript has very few core APIs aside from basic DOM manipulation. Even things like comparing timezones requires a third party dependency, for example.