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For those who are unaware: A couple billionaires, a pilot, and one of the billionaires' son are currently stuck inside an extremely tiny sub a couple thousand meters under the sea (inside of the sub with the guys above).

They were supposed to dive down to the titanic, but lost connection about halfway down. They've been missing for the past 48 hours, and have 2 days until the oxygen in the sub runs out. Do you think they'll make it?

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[–] FiskFisk33@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A swedish submarine officer put it bluntly in an interview today, and i paraphrase: "most likely it developed a crack and instantly decompressed like a crushed soda can"

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is least painful/scary way for them to die. It'd be an instantaneous death.

High pressure under water does weird things

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kWVvI4Aw-kc

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Money, money, money, mon...AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[–] Kantiberl@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The cognitive dissonance displayed here is appalling. So many envious and evil fucks showing zero empathy for other humans dying a terrible death just because they have more money. Jesus fuck, people. If your life view makes you that uncaring of other humans then you need to pick a new life view or start getting on submarines yourself. You sit on the internet gleefully relishing in the deaths of others like that makes you more compassionate of poor people somehow?

Gross. You people are gross.

[–] jkure2@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hundreds of migrants drowned in the Mediterranean like not even more than a few days ago and I've seen at least 20x more of this kind of sentiment for a handful of rich dudes that wanted to go visit the titanic in a un-certified pringles can created by a company that recently fired it's director of marine operations because he wouldn't sign off on the safety of this thing. Their company website says they are not certified because certification impedes innovation 😵‍💫

Like I saw on Twitter yesterday these dudes are the deadest that anyone has ever been, whether you cry-yell at people on the internet for not being sufficiently crestfallen or not

It's amazing how much manufactured empathy you can buy with money

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If they're deep down, it's unlikely. A good outcome would be something failed, but they could get up and are now lost on the surface, but from everything we've read about this it doesn't seem likely either.

[–] Blue@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just imagine, these idiots spend 250k to sit in a iron tube controlled by a cheap offbrand playstation controller but won't spend any of their money to improve the world. Only satisfying their own ego and greed. I can't feel sorry for them, best I can do is hope that they imploded so they didn't have to suffer too long.

[–] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really in the business of defending billionaires but I think at least one of them, the guy who brought his son, was involved with charities:

"He works with his family's Dawood Foundation, as well as the SETI Institute - a California-based research organisation which searches for extra-terrestrial life.

"Shahzada is also a supporter of two charities founded by King Charles - the British Asian Trust and the Prince's Trust International."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65955554

He sounds (sounded) like a good person.. I do find it interesting that the other billionaires don't have any mentions of charitable works in articles I've read in them.

[–] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Every billionaire uses charities.

They're a way to exert control over the money that would normally go to taxes, and be up to the government to spend.

It's not inherently bad, but charity is not quite the saving grace of billionaires that many make it out to be.

[–] quantum_mechanic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, nor do I think they should be. There will be millions of wasted taxpayer dollars wasted on trying to recover rich people's dead bodies. They signed a waiver and knew what they were getting into. There's nothing to be learned from whatever happened, since the company was clearly negligent. Let them rest on the ocean floor beside the other rich assholes.

It's kinda poetic for them to go down next to the titanic, itself a story of complacency and excess/opulance.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a bit harsh. If there's anything that works in modern society pretty reliably regardless of status, it's search and rescue. Sunk subs can also be an environmental hazard.

[–] Stijn@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree woth this post. Wealth has nothing to do with this. And if they survive they can easily pay the bill.

[–] TheMauveAvenger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Pretty hilarious that you think a billionaire would foot the bill if they are (or their families if they're not) rescued.

[–] quantum_mechanic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no rescue in this instance, only an expensive recovery. And there are enough environmental hazards in the world at this point, that I don't think a 5m sub on the sea floor is going to matter much. Most climbers are abandoned to their fate as they made the reckless decision to ascend, just as these people made the reckless decision to descend.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's still part of S&R. Lost swimmers, ships, small planes, or just people lost in the woods, there are always attempts for recovery long after any chance of survival is gone.

Yea climbers may be abandoned very high up on Everest, when there's no safe way to bring them down. But subs, we do look for subs. Let's not needlessly be dicks about it.

[–] quantum_mechanic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Let’s not needlessly be dicks about it.

You do you. I will be whatever I want about it however.

[–] 1lya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think if someone wants to dive to the wreckage of the Titanic again, they should ask the Russians for the Mir bathyscaphe, which definitely works reliably.

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

"currently stuck" is a euphemism - they are dead. They are gone.

[–] Double_A@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. Chances are high that that submarine just imploded in a millisecond and they just instantly died. Why else would it stop sending pings and completely dissappear otherwise?

[–] Willer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I cant speak for myself but i think communication in general is a very well understood topic. If that fails you can just assume everyone is dead. I am not sure if the banging is real tho or if it was something else

[–] IceQuest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think there's a chance they succumbed to hypothermia long before they ran out of oxygen.

[–] Almostarctic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The 5 submariners chances of being rescued are very slim at this point but much much higher than the 500 migrants still missing off the coast of Greece who took to the waters not for a joy ride but to escape war and seek a better life.

[–] diggity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] 0U714W@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A bunch of billionaires bite the bullet on a dumb, rich tourist expedition? Lol why should anyone care?

[–] Sans_outside@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They still have families and people that love and care about them.

[–] 0U714W@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So do the rest of us. Mostly.

[–] FinallyDebunked@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago
[–] ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only outcome we can be sure of at this point is that the company responsible for this mess is going to have to answer a lot of questions.

[–] JeffCraig@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And some massive lawsuits to handle.

[–] TurretCorruption@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think there already is one. There was a guy working for that company who was fired for whistleblowing after the ceo ignored his safety concerns, and now that employee is going after the company for wrongful termination.

That ceo knew it was dangerous but still decided to drag 4 other people to a watery grave

[–] TurretCorruption@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read that the sub in question was only rated for 1300 ft, and they were taking it on dives of up to 4000 ft. Unless the sub surfaced as part of a safety protocol, there is an exceedingly high probability that the sub imploded and killed everybody.

[–] bloodsangre7@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Titanic is at like 12,500 ft deep though

[–] Master@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think people are confusing meters and feet.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-whistleblower-raised-safety-concerns-about-oceangates-submersible-in-2018-then-he-was-fired

Titan’s forward viewport would only certify it to a depth of 1,300 meters due to OceanGate’s experimental design. The filing states that OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the Titan’s intended depth of 4,000 meters. The Titanic lies about 3,800 meters below the surface.