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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 127 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Old guy here. This sort of idiocy was super rare before the internet. You were mostly limited to talking with family, friends and coworkers. And those people would ridicule idiot ideas, make the idiot take a step back and consider. Humiliation and humiliation avoidance are powerful motivators.

Now idiots can group up and reinforce each other. It's been rather horrifying watching this roll out over the last 30-years.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

I very vividly recall sometime in mid 1996 or so when the worldwide web was first becoming a thing and e-commerce was in its infancy. I thought how much better the world was going to be because people would have access to all the ideas. They'd no longer be isolated in their little tribes where they could be racist and hateful.

Wow, did humanity ever prove me wrong with its ability to generate protective bubbles around itself.

[–] JdW@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Rare, but not super rare. You are misremembering the large amount of pamphlets, direct mail and newspaper/magazine ads that fed a propensity for stupid people to try and get rich or circumvent rules. There were no doubt regional differences, but e.g. in the Netherlands there were a few people with large tax trick companies/movements that gained a lot of traction and money before they eventually got stopped by the courts. Talking late 70s/80s. here.

[–] Aggravationstation@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

People have always believed in outlandish conspiracies. For example The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was debunked over 100 years ago but still went on to influence the Nazis after that as well as countless other antisemitic groups and conspiracy theories to this day.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/index.php/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

Convincing people of something they don't believe with evidence is almost impossible, as anyone who's spent time on the internet knows.

So how are these conspiracy groups convincing people without evidence? Simple, they're not. They're providing validation for the ideas and general misgivings that certain people already had, as fringe groups have done for generations. It's just that in the past it happened privately, now it's taking place in public forums.

Maybe the internet allows dumb ideas to spread faster. But it also lets criticism of those ideas and evidence against them spread at the same speed. The problem is the people who need to hear it will never listen.

TL:DR - Some people have always been stupid and looked for validation of their beliefs, now they do it online instead of IRL as with everything else in life.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It happens faster with the Internet. But I mean Scientology started before the Internet...

[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Thats a funny way to spell “christianity”

[–] stoly@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago

Note, though, that it was principally always Hollywood elite who was involved. That is its own sort of bubble.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I agree it is horrific. Sovereign citizens to me are really dangerous.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I think so. They don't limit their crazy to just licenses and taxes.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not really. What is this guy doing that could hurt anyone? He's only hurting himself here.

Now far right militias, those are scary.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Actually think of sovcit kids. They are "home schooled" which means they don't get an education, they don't have birth certificates or social insurance numbers, and they don't get vaccinated. It's quite dangerous for them.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago

social ~~insurance~~ security numbers

The US has no real social insurance unless you want to include Medicaid/Medicare.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They are hurting us by not paying taxes and potentially not maintaining their vehicle or driving safely.

[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Infecting more people with their mental virus.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

Sovcit stuff is older than the internet

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 79 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"sovereign citizen"

Translation: member of the tin foil hat brigade who doesn't want to contribute anything but still expects the government to bail them out whenever they need it

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Banks are sovereign citizens?

[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Banks have equity and are insured. These chucklefucks don’t want to “sign a contract”, pay taxes or contribute to society but still expect a handout. The answer is NO.

Get with the society or get the fuck out. They should know that phrase well enough to be familiar with the point of it.

[–] Maddie@sh.itjust.works 54 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I love how they set up a bunch of imaginary rules they have to follow to keep their imaginary status

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

Sounds like religion to me.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah it’s just the strangest possible reaction to the realizations that drive others to anarchism

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago

I don't see what the problem is here. Just cash the unemployment check with your fingers crossed behind your back. And if the IRS finds out and tries to shoot a laser at you just say, "Nuh uh, I had my force field up."

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 24 points 8 months ago

Me: "firing someone because they don't have a driver's license seems illegal"

reads post about driving without a license

"Nevermind"

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would have just fired her for her grammar.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When I, on the other hand, make grammar mistakes, my boss is made aware that it is my STRAW MAN responsible for them. Bosses hate this one weird trick.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'd fire you for your grammar too.

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

Hi friends, there is a legal PERSON DigitalTraveler42 trynna fire my STRAW MAN even though I (born of BLOOD) am the erstwhile employee. Am I feeling a summons in the air?? Please help gobless.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 8 months ago

Tell me more about “traveling.”

These idiots…

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Schrödinger's state. Recognised when it helps, not recognised when it controls.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Wanting to benefit from the things being part of a society can provide without providing anything back into society.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

We must stop the government takeover of unemployment and welfare benefits administration!

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 8 points 8 months ago

He can always take out a loan from the IMF, I suppose