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I know this is totally a Daystrom question, but do you think you could make a cloaked ship appear by spraying it with an opaque substance like paint? Should starships come with giant paint nozzles?
Deflectors would atomize small particles coming in at it like that, automatically the same as it handles meteorites and leftover screwdrivers left in orbit (bc at faster-than-light travel speeds those could HURT! maybe not worse than stepping on a Lego but still bad!).
But probably some method of friend-v-foe could be devised - e.g. instead of paint, send out tachyon or chroniton bursts? Hehe, send everything around you back and forth through time, and then look for the ripples of a cloaked ship moving into position? Probably not so good for the environment though...
On the other hand, cloaking devices have the strongest protection possible in that entire universe, making it impossible to break through their... plot armor!
And then there's "the Federation would never use the cloaking technology that our two main enemies use because that wouldn't be fair" plot device.
Wasn't that a negotiated exception for the sake of the war with the Dominion?
Yes, that's true. They had a Romulan on board to control it for them.
Who they forgot about after 3 or 4 episodes.
Lol, good point too
That was Seska pretending to be a Romulan.
Isn't it because of the treaty of Algeron. Which ended up being broken by the captain of the Pegasus and Starfleet intelligence which was then publicly denounced by Starfleet command to avoid retaliation by the romulans.
It's a stupid treaty provision. "We won't develop technology you and the Klingons already have and use against us all the time" would be one thing if the treaty was a surrender, but it wasn't, it was a brokered treaty to prevent a war after an incident that went undescribed but was responsible for significant, but not on the scale of Wolf 359 significant life loss. It's a hell of a thing for the Federation to give up and the actual reason why is never stated.
It also resulted in romulans falling back to their own territory and allowing for federation control of planets like Kotaari which is a huge boon for its dilithium reserves alone. The romulans also thought the federation was developing WMDs after the Tomed incident essentially turned an entire sector of space into an inhospitable wasteland. They probably also didn't want to start another war on the scale of the first romulan war, especially with the romulans having no hesitation when it comes to war crimes.
So the real question to the Daystrom Institute is "What can the federation do against 'Plot Devices'"
I've heard of these 'plot devices' before and they seem to have a major affect on many different universes.
Except we know that somehow they get over that in the future. What if the Federation had greatly improved upon clocking technology the whole time and then the moment those protections expired could basically move around the galaxy freely at will? :-P (yet probably still choose not to, for that reason;-)
Like, I don't recall ever so much as seeing or even hearing of a Klingon scientist, ever:-P.
There are many Klingon scientists, they just end up being part of a different caste than the warriors who are mostly seen on ships. Kurak was a warp field specialist, Korath was a scientist who invented the chronodeflector used in Voyager's finale, J'Dan (while also a spy) was an exobiologist, Antaak was a physician and researcher of metagenics. To say the Klingons had no scientists is just incorrect.
Typical anti-Klingon racism of humans. Remember how Riker had to meet Klingons to find out they were capable of laughter when Klingons laugh all the time?
Haha right, it seems like every Klingon that isn't worf laughs all the time. Not even subtly, like full on deep belly laughs.
Worf is such a weeb
klingaboo
I didn't say that they did not exist, just that I did not recall them - apparently I have a very poor memory;-)...uh...what was I saying again? ;-P
Anyway, thank you for the nice list of them, it does help.
Haha yeah that's fine, they really don't show up that often so it's not that surprising you forgot them.
You would think that they would get at least some credit - like the person who invented cloaking technology gets 1/1000th of every kill that is made that is directly attributable to the use of the technology.
Except that makes way too much sense for Klingons to do it - they are the bad guys hence they are anti-science, unlike us now... oh no we are so in trouble.
Yeah I can't remember if that ever directly came up but there's definitely mentions of how non-warrior-caste Klingons are basically second class citizens
At some point Picard visited Qo'noS, the homeworld ("Sins of the Father"), but I seem to recall it giving surprisingly little information about it, except seeing like an old woman in a cloak so a non-warrior peasant.
Even here on earth there are similar effects - e.g. most Indians I have ever met speak somewhat more propa bri'ish English than I do here (am American), but this is like the 1% top elite that travel here, whereas if I were to travel there, the number of people who speak English passably may drop dramatically.
Similarly, most of what we know of Klingon society, directly from the shows anyway, is heavily biased towards the nobility - e.g. "House of".
I really want a show about the lives of normal people on all the different planets in the trekverse now. Like a lower decks but for more than just Starfleet.
I doubt that it would ever be done... by Hollywood, but fanfics could pick up the slack!:-)
One episode of Enterprise has the crew finding a cloaked ship by ejecting and igniting warp plasma so i would say yes.
Nero clicks every square
"FIRE EVERYTHING!!"
(Hint: it’s the Kobayashi Maru test)
I don't believe in a no captcha scenario.
Let me get my emission seeking mouse pointer.
Just go play with some shit over in the wall. That should cause them to decloak