Corporation sacrificed user trust, but isn't completely gone yet. More at 11, stay tuned!
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2023
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Without the shit show that's the Reddit exodus I wouldn't of found kbin and wouldn't of had a fun new side project to work on. Super keen on all the fancy things we've been able to improve kbin.social over the last few weeks :)
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Reddit didnt crush the protest, redditors and mods did. Mods acted like mods (their stereotypes mostly deserved) and users were so addicted to the site that they lost their shit that their favorite sub went dark for 2 days. The mods never had leverage and 99% of the users have no desire to lift a finger to meaningfully protest.
Reddit doesnt have any real competition (yet... hopefully lemmy does well) so they dont really care if what theyre doing pisses off users. The site is thoroughly in the enshittening phase of its life cycle and the apathy of its users ensure that reddit has no incentive to reverse this.
The mods never had leverage
Of course the mods had leverage: they could have just walked away.
The reality is that there's no difference between mods and users: everyone is just too addicted to their routines and habits and mindless opening of Reddit and doomscrolling that the vast, vast, vast majority of people just wanted to go back to how things were.
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Wasn't hard to win when you threaten to remove power from power trippers.
The fediverse got a nice boost and there's enough people here to make it worthwhile to scroll and interact. Much nicer than reddit, they can keep the masses honestly.
I think people really exaggerated this thing of "power trippers", and that really only served to turn users to Reddit's side. While there are a few mods who get too full of themselves, mods don't actually get to command anyone or any sort of payment. Mods don't hold a fraction of the power that admins do. And what do mods get to lose? The "privilege" to do volunteer work sifting through the worst things people can post? Is the power to ban someone really that enticing?
And it's not like the Fediverse doesn't need mods too.
Really it played out a lot like other kinds of protests. The ones in charge who are depriving people of something pointing fingers at the protesters temporarily inconveniencing them and saying "look what awful selfish people they are". Which is ultimately what pressures protesters to give in the most.
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I just don't understand why mods form big, popular subreddits don't switch over to lemmy/kbin/whatever? If it is sunk cost fallacy that is irrational. They have a big following, all they have to do is say "hey guys, we are moving to another site. Go to sign up." If it is because (as some people suggest, not me) they are power-hungry mods and fear losing that power, it is also irrelevant since they can host their own instance and have all the power they want. If they could organize a blackout, surely they can organize an exodus? What am I missing?
I think it’s really simple. People are just naturally resistant to change.
In the early days of lemmy.world (literally 1 month ago), the instance was getting flooded with new sign ups, posts, and comments. Performance took a massive nosedive and thus impacting user experience and adoption.
But other the past few weeks, stability has improved significantly. As long as the communities begin to rebuild and contribute useful content, I think over time it will be better than Reddit.
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Lemmy now has enough early adopters to be sustainable. And that's the only thing that matters. As to Reddit, my account there is 17+ years old but I was there since the beginning. The early years were amazing but in the last half decade or so it was a visibly dying platform. We should be thankful that its current leadership has now put it out of its misery.
To be honest the cost of their decisions was the creation of a now viable competitor. Lemmy is still small, has less users and less content but importantly creates a destination for mass migration in the future. Reddit used to just be a crappy offshoot of Digg right up until the major Digg redesign that everyone hated…and overnight Digg was toast. History tends to repeat.
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Couldn’t stand Spez’s response to the whole thing. So here I am.
Yeah that's reddit trying to control the narrative.
They just lost their unpaid bot defense team like two days ago.
Swirling the drain.
I thought that there would be no difference with this drama event, like the big boohoo when they fired various people and the time it spearheaded the creation of the toxic dumpster fire Voat, but I have to say that I can see a noticeable difference at Reddit.
I still read Reddit daily on my computer as I use RES on my computer, and I like the layout and ZERO ads and notice that the volume of new posts is WAY down. I read a bit last night, and when I viewed it this morning, the posts were almost all the same, with hardly any new content.
On the flip side, I have noticed a HUGE influx of quality posts here this past week. If a few more of my favorite subs from Reddit move here, I'll be set. I just wish there was a browser extension like RES here for Lemmy.
Completely anecdotal, but when I had a look at r/all, it looked way less busy and lower quality, full of subs I'd never heard of, and generally...not that great.
There are so many potentially NSFW posts showing up in the main feed because of all the odd subs it is probably a good idea to report them so there are no issues with the advertisers.
A lot more Ai generated posts too. It's to the point to where you see the same phrasings, same idioms and same jokes word for word from different accounts. Or they're just typical redditors and its hard to tell anymore.
Now, if only /r/NoSleep would move here, I wouldn't have to keep visiting Reddit. But I am just too addicted to the stories there
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In tech subreddits there's a ton of deleted posts. And noticeable less responses.
Reddit just became less relevant for tech troubleshooting, specially on Linux or foss communities. That they lost.