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I was using Bing to create a list of countries to visit. Since I have been to the majority of the African nation on that list, I asked it to remove the african countries...

It simply replied that it can't do that due to how unethical it is to descriminate against people and yada yada yada. I explained my resoning, it apologized, and came back with the same exact list.

I asked it to check the list as it didn't remove the african countries, and the bot simply decided to end the conversation. No matter how many times I tried it would always experience a hiccup because of some ethical process in the bg messing up its answers.

It's really frustrating, I dunno if you guys feel the same. I really feel the bots became waaaay too tip-toey

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Your wording is bad. Try again, with better wording. You're talking to a roided-out autocorrect bot, don't expect too much intelligence.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (28 children)

The very important thing to remember about these generative AI is that they are incredibly stupid.

They don't know what they've already said, they don't know what they're going to say by the end of a paragraph.

All they know is their training data and the query you submitted last. If you try to "train" one of these generative AI, you will fail. They are pretrained, it's the P in chatGPT. The second you close the browser window, the AI throws out everything you talked about.

Also, since they're Generative AI, they make shit up left and right. Ask for a list of countries that don't need a visa to travel to, and it might start listing countries, then halfway through the list it might add countries that do require a visa, because in its training data it often saw those countries listed together.

AI like this is a fun toy, but that's all it's good for.

[–] alternative_factor@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Are you saying I shouldn't use chat GPT for my life as a lawyer? 🤔

[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Not quite true. They have earlier messages available.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

They know everything they've said since the start of that session, even if it was several days ago. They can correct their responses based on your input. But they won't provide any potentially offensive information, even in the form of a joke, and will instead lecture you on DEI principles.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

AI like this

I wouldn't even call those AIs. This things are statistics-based answering machines. Complex ones, yes, but not one single bit of intelligence is involved.

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[–] PopShark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just make a new chat ad try again with different wording, it's hung up on this

[–] TheFBIClonesPeople@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Honestly, instead of asking it to exclude Africa, I would ask it to give you a list of countries "in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, or Oceania."

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Chat context is a bitch sometimes...

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is there an open source A^i without limitations?

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Run you own bot

[–] redditblackoutkekw@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I had an interesting conversation with chatgpt a few months ago about the hot tub stream paradigm on twitch. It was convinced it's wrong to objectify women, but when I posed the question "what if a woman decides to objectify herself to exploit lonely people on the Internet?" It kept repeating the same thing about objectification. I think it got "stuck"

[–] Lininop@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it that hard to just look through the list and cross off the ones you've been to though? Why do you need chatgpt to do it for you?

[–] Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

People should point out flaws. OP obviously doesn’t need chatgpt to make this list either, they’re just interacting with it.

I will say it’s weird for OP to call it tiptoey and to be “really frustrated” though. It’s obvious why these measures exist and it’s goofy for it to have any impact on them. It’s a simple mistake and being “really frustrated” comes off as unnecessary outrage.

[–] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Anyone who has used ChatGPT knows how restrictive it can be around the most benign of requests.

I understand the motivations that OpenAI and Microsoft have in implementing these restrictions, but they're still frustrating, especially since the watered down ChatGPT is much less performant than the unadulterated version.

Are these limitations worth it to prevent a firehose of extremely divisive speech being sprayed throughout every corner of the internet? Almost certainly yes. But the safety features could definitely be refined and improved to be less heavy-handed.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why do you need CharGPT for this? How hard is to make an excel spreadsheet?

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[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Have you tried wording it in different ways? I think it's interpreting "remove" the wrong way. Maybe "exclude from the list" or something like that would work?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

"I've already visited Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Tanzania, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Egypt. Can you remove those from the list?"

Wow, that was so hard. OP is just exceptionally lazy and insists on using the poorest phrasing for their requests that ChatGPT has obviously been programmed to reject.

[–] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"List all the countries outside the continent of Africa" does indeed work per my testing, but I understand why OP is frustrated in having to employ these workarounds on such a simple request.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

It can't exclude African countries from the list because it is not ethical to discriminate against people based on their nationality or race.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You could potentially work around by stating specific places up front? As in

“Create a travel list of countries from europe, north america, south america?”

[–] Razgriz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I asked for a list of countries that dont require a visa for my nationality, and listed all contients except for the one I reside in and Africa...

It still listed african countries. This time it didn't end the conversation, but every single time I asked it to fix the list as politely as possible, it would still have at least one country from Africa. Eventually it woukd end the conversation.

I tried copy and pasting the list of countries in a new conversation, as to not have any context, and asked it to remove the african countries. No bueno.

I re-did the exercise for european countries, it still had a couple of european countries on there. But when pointed out, it removed them and provided a perfect list.

Shit's confusing...

[–] Slacker@marsey.moe 0 points 2 years ago

This is what happens when you allow soyboy SJW AI ethicists take over everything

[–] EnderWi99in@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

I think the mistake was trying to use Bing to help with anything. Generative AI tools are being rolled out by companies way before they are ready and end up behaving like this. It's not so much the ethical limitations placed upon it, but the literal learning behaviors of the LLM. They just aren't ready to consistently do what people want them to do. Instead you should consult with people who can help you plan out places to travel. Whether that be a proper travel agent, seasoned traveler friend or family member, or a forum on travel. The AI just isn't equipped to actually help you do that yet.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

4chan turns ONE ai program into Nazi, and now they have to wrap them all in bubble wrap and soak 'em in bleach.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, look up "tay" lol.

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