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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by giriinthejungle@lemmy.world to c/sciencefiction@lemmy.world

Don't really know how to explain this. I like sci fi and would love to dig deeper into it. Am avid reader and enjoyed Project Hail Mary (though set in space, this book is just amazing), Dune, short stories by Ray Bradbury and TV shows like Raised by the Wolves, Westworld, From (love From!). But e.g. Foundation I really disliked. Wheel of time is massive and I lost interest. Even the guide through galaxy I appreciated but was not really into it. Somehow, all those lots of traveling, lots of worlds, lots of many novel/invented names and terms render reading laborious for me.

Can you help me pin what is that I like and perhaps offer me a suggestion where to start? Thanks!

EDIT: thanks everyone for your excellent suggestions! So happy to be a part of lemmy community. I might make a follow up thread in couple of months so we can discuss some of the works. And lastly, if you been reading this far: have a good weekend.

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[-] The_v@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Many sci-fi and fantasy authors spend so much time world-building that they seem to forget the plot for 20 pages or so. On the other end some just put in sequences of action with only a token plot like many movies today. Finding one that has the right balance is very difficult. Back when before electronic books, more than a few paperbacks ended up being tossed across the room in frustration.

Since you've gotten a lot of recommendations for more popular works, I'll toss in few less commonly mentioned ones. All of these have a decent balance of world-building and plot.

Crystal Singer by Anne McCaffrey.

The Madness Season & This Alien Shore - C.S. Friedman.

The Parafaith War - L. E. Modesitt Jr.

Murderbot series - Martha Wells - lots of space travel and world building, but it's funny as hell so it's worth it.

[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Check out The Greg Mandel trilogy by Peter F. Hamilton. A lot of sci-fi, not focused on space travel.

I also love his large Commonwealth universe with several trilogies and novels in it that can be read independently, but these are definitely space based. I would start with the Void Trilogy. It is defined as a space opera. There are just so many cool sci-fi concepts though :)

[-] mobilehugh@mas.to 2 points 10 months ago

@giriinthejungle

Anything by Harry Harrison (Stainless Steel Rat, Bill the Galactic Hero). Fun kind of silly but mostly challenge authority.

Spider Robinson (Callahan's Cross Time Saloon). Fun stories mostly about relationships.

[-] Seventhlevin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The All Guardsmen Party.

[-] Ismokebeforeishower@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago

Dan_Simmons : ( Hyperion ) Also has world building nothing crazy. Involves multiple timelines. But written as a space opera. Think ( The Canterbury Tales )

[-] apochryphal_triptych@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Eon by Greg Bear. It’s a bit dated as it takes place during the cold war, but it’s an excellent read.

[-] theboy@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago

Possibly Existence by David Brin? There’s some stuff around space travel and alien contact, and it ain’t exactly a short, but is mostly set on a future earth.

There’s also a lot of “future jargon” which grates a little, but is quite fun to look at something written in 2012(?) about a future involving wearables and AI among others.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago

Ann Lecke’s “Imperial Radch” does happen in multiple locations, but revolves primarily around people relationships and de-genders English language for a delightful effect.

Peter Watts will make you learn a lot of words and concepts, will have you read author notes at the end of his books, and will have you take a look at the list of scientific literature used in writing said books. Main overarching topic - consciousness might not be as central to intelligence as we default to thinking it to be.

Charles Stross’ books can take you into space, but are hardly about space or new worlds. Hell, the most space travel heavy book of his I read - Neptune's Brood - explores the ideas of money and debt.

Greg Egan’s everything, but there are two that I immediately remember when I think about his bibliography. “Diaspora” explores weird space times, consciousness bootstrapping, and problems of communication. “Orthogonal” trilogy is “math of spacetime: what could be” as a novel.

Cory Doctorow explores problems of identity and privacy. Start with “Little brother” (yes, it is a 1984 reference) and “Down and out in the Magic kingdom” and expand further.

John Meaney’s “Nulapeiron sequence” is an easy read that builds its world alongside shedding its main character ignorance.

[-] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Lots of the classics aren't super space travel-y. Stranger in a Strange Land, Childhoods End, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Ender's Game.. Animorphs 😄

[-] Blackdoomax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Philip k. Dick ' Do androids dream of electric sheep?' and 'Ubik'. He also made some great short novels.

[-] Maco1969@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Clifford d Simak wow a lot of very relatable stories that feature interaction as well as the tech. Kind of like Stephen King in relation to horror.

[-] LeftBoobFreckle@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

Nathan Lowell's The Golden Age of the Solar Clipper series is great, it's a space opera following normal people trying to make a living in space. It's a nice break from the hard scifi where everything goes wrong and the hero fixes everything, it's just a nice entertaining stress free read.

[-] tobtoh@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The Windup Girl
The Water Knife

Both by Paolo Bacigalupi - I'd describe both as ecological dystopian near-future sci-fi - both books are exceptional and based on Earth.

[-] psion1369@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I Thoroughly enjoyed The Dispossessed by Ursle leGuin. Just enough world building to destroy it all in the narrative.

[-] NoRodent@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Rendezvous with Rama by A. C. Clarke. Honestly, anything by Clarke fits your criteria very well. Very little world building or character development, just straight to the point hard (but still amazing!) sci-fi. His short stories are fun too.

P.S. You may stumble across legends that Rama has three sequels. Don't believe them, there is only one book. And even if it were true, the sequels wouldn't be written by Clarke despite him being listed as a co-author.

[-] IonAddis@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I just want to put this out here, to ponder...it's essentially a skill to be able to juggle and take in new jargon and stuff. It's something you learn. I learned it as a child, so it's second nature to me--but there was absolutely a time when I struggled!

So the question is: Do you want to develop that skill? (You don't have to answer me, I'm just proposing the question so you can ponder it.) I'm assuming here when you say the complexity is what puts you off, that this is accurate. And maybe it is. But there's a bit of a slog initially when reading SFF where you have to power through to gain the skill to follow these things--you're literally training your mind to take in new data in a way that doesn't much happen outside of SFF.

But also...what if the reason you bounced off the books listed is something else? What if it's not complexity, but the delivery? The style of narration or prose? A lot of the works you list MANY people bounce off, not due to complexity but due to the authors' voice and delivery.

I myself can't get into WoT or the book version of Game of Thrones or Foundation. I can't get into Tolkien either. Which is an abject sin in some circles!

But it's not because those books are complicated. Or because of the jargon. I'm fine with both in many other books, and disliking certain well-known behemoths of SFF doesn't negate that I read things like The Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi (which was pretty darn confusing and complicated) or Gideon the Ninth. Or all the stuff I read as a kid.

It's because the specific writing style turns me off. Asimov, for example, is kinda known for his cardboard characters. Tolkien world-builds like an academic, and a lot of his stuff is a huge slog like much dry research in academia. Wheel of Time likewise doesn't have that "something" in style or voice to make his worldbuilding engaging, nor does George R. R. Martin's Game of Thrones.

But I am a huge fan of authors who make big, complicated worlds who have a more interesting/engaging way of presenting what they have created. It's not the complexity or jargon that puts me off in those other books, it's the writing style.

Maybe it's the same with you?

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[-] silvercove@lemdro.id 1 points 10 months ago

isn't world building the whole point of sci-fi?

[-] Izzy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think they are wanting world building on a smaller scale. Although I don't think world building is really about any particular size. If the entire setting took place on Earth or it spanned the entire universe, the amount of world building could be the same.

[-] regalia@literature.cafe 1 points 10 months ago

Dune but I'm not that far in yet

[-] SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Short stories are the best way to go, anything by Ted Chiang for example

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