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I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[โ€“] emstuff@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

donations to my favorite instances, like wikipedia i hope :)

[โ€“] EdibleSource@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I would like to join a cooperatively owned instance.

I have been tempted to join cosocial.ca, however I don't care for microblogging (Mastodon) as much as something forum-like such as a Lemmy instance.

[โ€“] V4uban@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago
[โ€“] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 3 points 1 year ago

I'm running a barebones server for myself and a few communities (not many subs yet) which will run for less than a Starbucks coffee a month... (Assuming I don't need more storage space... Lemmy seems pretty light. The main servers are gonna carry the load unfortunately... Beehaw.org had a transparency post about financials as of about a week ago they said something that their instance was costing like 50-75ish a month of I recall.

[โ€“] seaduck@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I suspect reddit's reported uprofitablity isn't due to the cost of hosting, but from blowing money in other ways.

[โ€“] luckystarr@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Put up a yearly donation drive (like Wikipedia) but unlike Wikipedia do:

  1. a competition between the various instances, on which collects the most donations
  2. not shift the page content when displaying the donation banner!

Ideally the donations will be handled through a non-profit org dedicated to this particular purpose. If the donation level is high enough, developers can be hired to further improve the source code. Currently the funds are managed through OpenCollective, but with enough growth this may not be feasible any longer.

This will most likely lead to heated debates as this will build a somewhat centralized organization, which necessarily comes with power concentration.

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[โ€“] pproe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know that it is not a popular topic in 2023 but a blockchain currency that allows users to 'award' posts/comments (similar to tipping in /r/dogecoin days) could provide instance owners with a source of income by taking a small portion of tips on their server.

Such a system would likely scale alongside user activity (read server load) and would encourage higher quality content. Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

[โ€“] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds good as long as it doesn't provide an incentive to pay for posts or comments to rise to visibility because then there'll just be advertising everywhere

[โ€“] pproe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yes I agree.

One alternative is something similar to awards on reddit. However one could argue that it would impact the visibility of awarded posts by making them more 'eye-catching'. The only way such a system would not impact post/comment visibility is if it is a private transfer of value.

Honestly I would hate that, but if that's what keeps the lights on then I'll deal with it. I would prefer to move to an anonymous donation model like Wikipedia but I'm skeptical that will work.

[โ€“] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would it have to be blockchain? Plus like the other commenter said, that provides incentive to bot comments and such. Donation based stuff works fine.

[โ€“] pproe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Blockchain has been used previously (see dogetipbot) in a similar concept and worked well.

Since tips would be given at the discretion of users finding certain comments particularly good, a bot would only be able to abuse the system by creating good comments.

I have seen of many instances not being funded sufficiently through donations. If the level of user donations is able to cover only 50% of operation costs for an instance, if monthly upkeep is say $60, then it is reasonable for an owner to subsidize the rest. But, as lemmy (and consequently each community) grows in popularity, a 50% coverage of operational costs is simply not sustainable. That is, without a tactic such as Wikipedia's notorious pity-ware ad banners.

Providing an alternative method of funding could assist instance owners to keep the community running.

[โ€“] linuxduck@nerdly.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a server for about 100 a year... With my whopping 2 users... It's overkill... So... My comment is a wasted way of saying idunno

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[โ€“] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Really, the only direct cost of lemmy is the development. That's the beauty of lemmy's decentralized nature, the cost of actually running it is spread out among tech hobbyists with spare hardware and time (edit: and only ~$30/year or less for a domain name), or may even have some money to throw at new hardware. For most people, the connectivity doesn't incur any additional cost to whatever they're already paying for internet access.

There are plenty of free and excellent open source projects that neither charge money or generate profits, they're driven by passionate developers who give their and talent for the enjoyment of it and betterment of the community.___

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[โ€“] Lemon_Man@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sell checkmarks like Tumbler.

for x$ a month get a checkmark next to your name on posts. in whatever colours you pay for. buy checkmarks for others.

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[โ€“] octet33@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

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It's literally all donated

[โ€“] Communist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Since it's distributed, the cost doesn't even compare to a centralized instance. It's really hard to say how much it would cost to host everyone across the fediverse, but because of decentralization, it'll be a hell of a lot easier to achieve.

[โ€“] Heraldique@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the price is spread out across multiple generous people that generously host instances. I think it really depends on how much members there are. From what I heard my instance is 25 $ a month. Another instance I was in on Mastodon cost a few hundreds bucks to run. This is why it is good to help out your fellow admins. On the other hand, lemmy and other fediverse software are open source, so they don't really have to pay for developpers. Also the scope of what lemmy or Mastodon do is considerably smaller that Facebook, Twitter and the likes. Facebook isn't just a social media, it's a spying engine and an ad recommendation platform, Lemmy and mastodon are just social medias, so of course it costs less to do.

[โ€“] this@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Yup. On Facebook/Twitter the product isn't the content, its a whole shitload of agregated personal data of the users and advertisements that use said data to target the users, so its only natural that these companies would be spending ludicrous amounts of money finding new ways to collect and parse that data.

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