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[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 84 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I saw a post where someone was listing the reasons Texas would do better as an independent country, they were talking about its economy, freedoms, whatever...

And the fact that it has "warm water ports", which is a hot button topic for one country and pretty much nobody else...

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Russia is trying to export her Ukraine debacle to North America. Anyone calling for secession, national divorce or any other dissolution of the United States is a Russian asset. If Trump is too explicitly Russian for you, you can fall back onto any of the other neo-confederate suckers the GOP has teed up in their matryoshka primary

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Those warm water ports aren't going to do much good if they can't get out of the Gulf.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Specifically phrasing it as “warm water ports” definitely points towards Russia, but port access is an issue for many countries. Especially for landlocked countries, but even some countries with a coastline have few locations suitable for a port. In modern times we can dig artificial ports, but this costs a ton of money that often has to be financed with debt.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As someone who has been dealing with Russian propaganda, it works in one of two ways:

Way I: divide and divide

  1. Find an issue that divides your enemy.

  2. Amplify fringe voice on the issue, make the most divisive element into the most vocal one.

  3. Once the fringe becomes more popular, amplify the opposing voice to grant legitimacy to the fringe elements.

  4. Watch the fireworks.

Notable examples: environmental movements in the west, antivax, Black/Blue Lives Matter

Way II: post modernist bullshit

  1. We are maybe right

  2. We are maybe wrong

  3. You can't trust us

  4. You can't trust them

  5. You can't trust anyone or anything

  6. Nothing can be true or can ever be verified

Harder to point at examples, but if anything becomes an issue that's talked about you will see a lot of articles that talk a lot and say little to muddy the waters and make the public doubt the truth.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

I read ‘The Future is History’ by Masha Gessen and it’s all about Way II. They lay it out in sharp detail via interviews with Russians of all ages. It was eye opening.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 64 points 7 months ago (1 children)

100 percent they are lol. I can't wait until a Ukrainian drone finds its way to a troll farm building. Those 100% should be military targets.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I have no idea why the government does nothing. The head of Zero Hedge is living openly in the US and isn't a registered agent.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

DOJ is still captive space

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Man I used to enjoy Zero Hedge before like 2010. Back when he was bitter as fuck about getting caught and was basically livestreaming all the skeletons in Wall Street’s closet. Zero citations generally, but grab your popcorn and see how the capitalists make their cancerous sausage!

Then it changed to Breitbart for the wannabe tech-bro or the moonbat conspiracist who thinks InfoWars is too culty.

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

"Hey guys! You should totally have a Civil War over that! D, don't... Mind what were doing over here in Ukraine.

Lol"

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 7 months ago

But there is no border crisis. There are immigrants claiming asylum. That's it. The crisis is how Texas decided to spend taxpayer dollars to fight a fake onslaught of "iLlEgAlS".

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

That's only because USA isn't helping Ukraine, imagine what Putin would do to USA, if USA was still helping Ukraine! /s

[–] CaptainProton@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I get the sense Russia's the girlfriend whose job is to hold the gun and the tween whose job is to start running when cops show up, to keep the heat off the real problem.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

China is as well, but neither of them understands what he's asking for.. war just makes this country stronger, and going to war with ourselves is how we go Super Saiyan.. but they're trolls, so that's all they know how to do..

[–] Username02@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I don't think China is that keen to destabilize the US dollar, since their economy is still very heavily intertwined with America. And I don't even think they necessarily want Trump to be the next president either, the anecdotal being that Trump never expresses any deep affinity to China as he did with Russia.

[–] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Texas should secede and become a Russian Oblast. They seem to want that.

[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Some of your comrades definitely do.