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His wife Catherine Herring, who has filed for divorce, told the court the jail sentence was not long enough. She said their 1-year-old daughter, their third child, was born about 10 weeks premature, has developmental delays and attends therapy eight times a week.

“I do not believe that 180 days is justice for attempting to kill your child seven separate times,” Catherine Herring said.

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[–] 0x815@feddit.de 223 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Just correct me if I'm mistaken, but a quick research revealed that when a woman in Texas gets an abortion she is handed a life-long prison sentence and a fine of USD 10,000. A doctor who performs an abortion gets also a life in prison, looses his licence, and pays a fine of USD 100,000.

But a man poisoning a woman with abortion medication get 180 days in jail, no fine.

I'm not a legal expert, but that seems to have nothing to do with justice but rather with controlling women, right?

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It was always about controlling women and their sexuality.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's so much about controlling women and their sexuality as much as it is a man wants to ejaculate inside a woman without the consequences of producing a child.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Even that's incorrect.

It isn't about not dealing with the consequences, abortion would be the easiest solution in that case.

No it's simply that women usually have the ultimate say in whether a baby is kept, at least in modern western society. And that is women having too much power.

[–] Bakachu@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm mildly optimistic that this judgment can now be used as case law for all the prosecution efforts against women and doctors as a result of Texas' fucked up abortion law.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Except it’s Texas, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.

[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 3 points 8 months ago

Let us still hope it stands a chance one way or another.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

it's because the real problem is women having any amount of power. abortion that is forced on her is fine, because it establishes that women are subhuman and can have things forced upon them.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

This is actually written in the Bible as the official Christian methodology for abortions. The man literally poisons his wife to induce it as a test of her loyalty, in numbers 5:11-31. Yes that’s right, abortion is sanctioned in the Bible exactly as Herring did it to his wife. I don’t know if this factored into the court ruling, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

[–] jmfwnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 8 months ago

I think it's because this case predates Texas's new abortion ban, not that that makes this any better.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 81 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If the mother had tried for a legal abortion, she'd get the death penalty

[–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

TX when man abortion 🤗

TX when woman abortion 😡

[–] manapropos@lemmy.basedcount.com -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It should be the death penalty for both

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Go down to the local foundling hospital and ask to sit with some of the wards of the state. The children born with birth defects so terrible that they require 24/7 nursing and will die before they turn two years old. They need compassionate volunteers with strong constitutions, because the situation is so depressing.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

For serious, wtf.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 71 points 8 months ago (1 children)

in texas, an abortion with the woman's consent is punishable by life in prison, but an abortion without the woman's consent only gets you six months. Once again, I'm forced to conclude that republicans are specifically against a woman's consent and that anything about "the right to life" is absolute bullshit.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Maybe he would have gotten life in prison if the embryo/fetus he tried to kill actually died. 🤷🏻‍♀️ The baby survived but with developmental delays.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you think that a doctor that attempted an abortion but the fetus survived would be treated any differently than a doctor that completed an abortion? It's the procedure that's criminalized, not the result.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There have been plenty of cases of attempted murder in which the criminal gets a lighter sentence because the victim is still alive. Don't be mad at me. Blame the stupid criminal justice system.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

but this isn't attempted murder, it's a different crime. You're substituting your intuition about the law for what the law actually is. The law in Texas does not make abortion a type of murder, it makes performing an abortion a crime in and of itself regardless of whether the fetus dies. The text of the law is that it's a crime to "knowingly perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman".

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 4 points 8 months ago

but with development delays.

Yea, we already know it's in Texas.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 7 points 8 months ago

If abortion is illegal because a parasitic clump of cells is a human, then this charge should be 25-life.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

How did she have 3 kids with him without leaving... Oh it's america.

[–] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't get it. How is this an American thing?

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago

Have you ever been there?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

ha, cuz women have soooo much agency elsewhere.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

I mean they do though... Even in Latin America you have access to free healthcare and reproductive care (often including abortion).

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Are you implying the US is one of the best countries for women's rights?

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It could be that women are oppressed globally.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

You're right, better to give the benefit of the doubt

[–] daqqad@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Absolutely. Most people outside US fail to realize that a bunch of states are bigger than most countries on this planet and Texas does not define America.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

naw, my point is they generally have it pretty shitty everywhere. i used the term agency for reason.

sure here or there will have a specific better feature, like healthcare, but then thats offset by the incredible violence domestic or otherwise in that same region

[–] itsgoodtobeawake@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm confused why this is an unpopular sentiment. Surely we agree patriarchy is an unjust and almost universal force in our world? Some places are better and worse for womens rights... But doesnt every major religion basically dictate that women are not and cannot be equal?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

yeah i dont get it either.

whole countries convince women that they are supposed to be second class citizens. rape is their fault. education is haphazard at best. killed at birth for being female.

the world over, women generally have it worse off than males. this is not a controversy, but a statement of fact.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Yet this looks like the path a large portion of the states are heading towards. There are tons of cases of rape and victim blaming, and that's only the ones that get news articles or documentaries judging by the huge rape kit backlog that nobody with any power or authority cares about

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 8 months ago

Because "it's worse elsewhere" is an empty statement that stops any discussion on any problem. Why not look at where things are better instead?

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Classic Ameribrain, having literally no understanding of the world outside its borders.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

U.S., Texas

What is this, keyword stuffing?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah that makes sense.... /s