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I think it's a distraction from the actual interactions. Same way karma is.
I'm all for supporting instances and open source developers, but any kind of reward for a donation creates wrong incentives. Donation is called a donation because it's a gift without expecting something in return.
I fully agree with you, karma "whoring" is a serious problem on reddit, awards could lead to the same behavior here if implemented.
Donations are the best way to support the platform, if you want to be "visible" as donator, opencollective allows you to post a message about it, there's also a sort of top donators page, that's more than enough in my opinion.
I can understand the mindset, but I worry most people don't think like this.
The thing is, that small rewards for "donations" will likely make the people much more willing to spend money in the first place. Even if it's as small as a sticker on someone else's post that costs the servers involved like a handful of API calls. But when a 1€ award is 3x as popular as the 1€ donation, it will greatly increase the funds available to the instance and, hence better servers, more features etc
There is a reason many YouTubers sell discord roles. Many people are willing to spend 5€/month for a stupid discord rank, so I don't see why it's wrong to profit of people willing to buy awards
If you prefer direct donation, having something like awards won't stop you but if someone wants to buy that overpriced sticker, they can as well.
Could we like, not immediately talk about monetisation 1 month after leaving reddit? If you want to support your instance host, you can ask for a way to donate.
The hard truth is that long term, we likely need another way besides donations to keep the ecosystem alive.
I would like to see some numbers first. Donations work fine for mastodon.
Edit : here are mastodon.world financials https://blog.mastodon.world/
Donations seem to work fine for Wikipedia as well. Same with internet archive. We should not underestimate the willingness of people to support a good cause.
It's almost like people are willing to spend money for a good cause, when they are not constantly being pressured and scammed into it.
Or maybe some people just can't imagine how this could work without being centered around money.
Lemmy has been around for years. New instances are popping up as new users come in. So far, I haven't seen an instance suffering from lack of funds, but others being funded for months ahead, some even donating excess funds to Lemmy devs.
All while topics like these pop up every other day. For me, it looks like catastrophization. Seeking solutions for problems which do not exist (yet? Not even sure about that).
I don't want the comments section to look like the inner cabinet of the North Korean army
Can we leave the karma system and awards with Reddit? Allowing voting in comment sections for pseudo-moderation by the users is good, but when it turns into a scoring system the conversation devolves into a competition to see who can craft the most palatable opinion to get the most imaginary internet points.
Despite all my thoughtful and helpful comments I made in my 11 years on reddit, you know what my top comment was?
- Comes in
- Kills the Queen
- Tanks the economy
- Leaves
What a legacy.
47k updoots, and 27 awards.
I never cared for them on Reddit and used third party tools to remove or hide them.
I don't like that they can be used to shop visibility.
I would like that it gives an opportunity to fund instances but I would hope we could discover another way to do this.
I'm really not looking for a Reddit replica. And um, being rewarded for a good comment isn't really something I need. Or anyone needs. I think getting a cookie for a good comment can be left behind
Edit to add - I should have read the rest of the post more carefully, but I stand by my initial sentiment. Money needs to be funneled into those working hard on this, but I don't know, I don't want more and more Reddit features coming out
You've been awarded lemmy gold!
“Thank you, kind stranger”
Edit: Wow, I didn't expect this to take off like this. Thanks for all the upvotes! xD
Just donate if you want to support your server.
Awards are special actions reserved for people who pay, that don't improve the platform anyway. It's enshittification.
It baffles me how people seem fixated on the gamification of a discussion and payment system, as if somehow we're not adults who can see that the servers cost money, they provide us value, and we should help defray the costs (directly, through donations/payments). Clear/transparent information on instance costs and available funding is all we really need. For the instance owners it would be nice to have some built in code to provide this as a common location so they can disseminate the info with as little additional effort as possible, ideally with hooks to several payment systems they can connect - esp given the global nature of the platform.
Because, sadly, it works. Humans are social animals and gaining and displaying status is hard wired into us. You might not be interested in status in this way (but there are likely others just as irrational that you do), but enough people are such that this would likely generate a lot more money than just donations.
Appealing to and reinforcing toxic aspects human nature is always a shitty argument. Whatever we're trying to do here let's not be regressive
please no!! reddit looked like las vegas with that award system. terrible idea!
Eew please god no.
this
Edit: thank you for the gold, kind dear gentlesir or gentlemadame.
Edit2: wow I never expected to wake up to so many awards, who'd knew my most updooted comment would be about this?
I pass. Gamifying social interactions leads to abuse and lowers the quality of posts, comments, reports, etc. It's a streamlined path to enshittification.
Only user-provided 🏅🐭 awards here, at most.
Even "user-provided awards" should be kept out. It provides nothing substantial to the conversation.
It's like saying "This 👆", "I agree", or "Take my upvote!", all of which can be expressed by simply voting on the comment, which actually has an impact.
The growing server requirements..
I think like 99% of people picked accounts on the top 10 servers, and there are hundreds of more servers out there that have only a few users. Why do you all flock to the same server (Lemmy.world in particular) and then go "shit this is getting expensive guys". :)
Fediverse. Federated. Not Centralized. Not Reddit.
This technology supports speeding out, so many people (instance admins) share the costs.
I hate the idea very much. Thanks for asking.
Can't we just stick with normal donations instead of turning this place into a sea of rainbow vomit.
I am more for going on with donations, with some kind of useless leader board for volunteering activities, to introduce some kind of "safe" and fun gamification.
I have no idea what this could be, I am not very good in creating games
Absolutely, use the Wikipedia model, ask for donations with a target to cover cost.
Could be a good way to fund servers, but I'm not sure how they can make it not sketchy as fuck. No way I'm trusting payment info to some random dudes server.
Wouldn't mind having a safe option to throw a dollar or 2 to a favorite server and get a nice shiny badge on the profile.
Please no rewards. This is not reddit. I think a donation system would be much better way to go about it.
Let the content and conversations just happen. It's more organic that way.
I don't want to see award speeches here on Lemmy. For example: OMG! THANK YOU FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!!!!1111
Why don't server admins open OpenCollective accounts or something similar. It seems to work on Mastodon. I would be willing to pitch in to help finance the instance I'm on.
Your instance admin has https://www.buymeacoffee.com/tedvdb
You can verify the link here: https://feddit.nl/u/tedvdb
No awards please
I don’t believe that awards should exist on comments or posts, but i do want the devs to gain some money off of this.
The best choice would probably be for them to set up ways to donate to them in my opinion .
I've never wanted anything less in my life.
tl; dr: if you don't want to see seas of ads, awards are the better choice, in my opinion.
honestly, i would be fine with it. I'm not entirely sure what's the big philosophical deal, donations are harder to get, and I'm not so sure as many people are going to voluntarily go and visit the donations page. on the other hand, if the award option is immediately there within the post, one is much more likely to give it. lemmy can simply not sustain itself on the long run solely on donations, especially considering the mass of media content that may be posted. instances can run on them for now. i would prefer them running on dumb awards than on ads instead, and the mole of ads required to make up for the money needed could be really high we'd get reddit level advertisement. hell nah. also, it incentivizes the user on posting quality content if they see the chance of shiny lemming medals, maybe.
Funny how back in the 90s and 00s I could browse BBs without seeing a sea of ads, or any.
Almost like user run communities don’t actually need to return a profit or recoup costs to be active.
I’d love to see an awards system! It’d be great to select the instance that receives the funds with the default being where their account is registered.