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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

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Some gems from the article.

... We numbered 50 or so. We came from places like Harvard and Stanford and UChicago and MIT and U Penn. There was James, who studied computer science. Then there was Cameron, who also studied computer science. David and Peter studied computer science, while Luke and Albert studied computer science. As for Mike and Jason, the former studied computer science, whereas the latter studied computer science. Ethan was not unlike Max, in that both studied computer science. Some people studied business, too.

The students’ demographics were as revealing as their chosen majors. Roughly 80% were white. Over 70% were men. There was not a black man in the room.

(And if you need to leave to use the bathroom, you’ll get to pass by a massive oil painting of George W. Bush making the Hand of Benediction in front of the wreckage of 9/11, beside a Madonna-figure whose halo glows, I shit you not, with the Coca Cola logo.)

Peter springs to the center of the room. The air pressure changes. A buzz, a hum, a current about us. He brims with a frenzied energy. Something is happening. He is going to give us a taste of what’s to come, he says. This is the kind of intellectual activity we’re going to experience at UATX. We’re going to grapple with big issues. We’re going to be daring, fearless, undaunted. We’re going, he says, to do something called “Street Epistemology.”

What is Street Epistemology? He’ll demonstrate. It’s one of two things he does, the other being jiu-jitsu. “I don’t have a life,” he says. “I talk to strangers and I wrestle strangers.” But before we can do Street Epistemology, Peter needs to think of some questions.

“You gotta get into jiu-jitsu, man. I’m telling you.” Peter did jiu-jitsu. It’d changed his life. He spun around in his seat, scanned the rest of the bus, then whipped back to laser his eyes on me. “I could murder everybody on this bus and nobody could stop me. It’s a superpower.” I thought this over.

Many of the founders had participated in the same conservative think tanks: The Hoover Institution, The Manhattan Institute, The American Enterprise Institute. Many had contributed to The Free Press, the digital paper founded by Bari Weiss in 2021, the same year UATX was announced. Many were friends or fans of Jordan Peterson. One UATX founder was even double-dipping, delivering lectures at both UATX and Peterson’s forthcoming Peterson Academy. One had been fired from Princeton University after sleeping with a student and “discouraging her from seeking mental health care,” per an official university statement. One had been accused of assaulting his girlfriend. (The charges were dropped.) Another had had a talk at MIT canceled after comparing Affirmative Action to “the atrocities of the 20th century.” And so, beneath their optimism, there churned bitterness and indignation at their mistreatment by the Thought Police—sour feelings they sweetened with their commitment to “free and open inquiry.”

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[–] raoul@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“I could murder everybody on this bus and nobody could stop me. It’s a superpower.”

My goodness, the cringe level. Be carefull y'all, he studied the blade 🤣

How can you not just laugh and leave when earing that.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

My first response would be "that's a rather shite superpower then, innit?"

I'm sorry, even putting aside that he absolutely could not, being able to kill anyone in hand-to-hand combat is extremely useless as far as superpowers go. Like, in what circumstances would you want to do that? You're going to hit the streets and fight crime like Batman? You're just gonna get shot mate. Or are you just going to crack the skulls of your 15 coworkers on openspace? Congratulations, you're now in maxsec prison where you're gonna act tough until you get shanked by 20 people, since your "superpower" doesn't include stabbing damage immunity.

[–] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 13 points 6 months ago

My first response would be “that’s a rather shite superpower then, innit?”

I was thinking the same, especially if it only works on busses.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Also, anyone with a 10 dollar hammer can kill everyone on a bus.

[–] m@blat.at 10 points 6 months ago

@Tar_alcaran @V0ldek That's why you need the good guy with a hammer!

[–] m@blat.at 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@raoul Strong "that kid at primary school who took a few weeks of karate lessons then told you he could easily kill you so he had to be careful not to lose his temper now" vibes.

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 11 points 6 months ago

I did jiu-jitsu In middle school. We had two guys who were perhaps about 20 years old as assistant coaches. Pretty impressive belt colours and to us kids really cool and good at jiu-jitsu. I don't remember their names, lets call them Jim and Peter.

So nearing the end of a class Jim and Peter gathers us for a bit of pep talk. Jim: Good work everybody! Peter: We will soon end class, but first one thing... Jim: No? No, that was the last thing? Peter: Everyone, get Jim! Jim: What? No!

And I can tell you Jim was no match for two dozen ten year olds with white belts.

[–] elmtonic@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

delivering lectures at both UATX and Peterson’s forthcoming Peterson Academy

I thought I was terminally online but clearly I've missed something, his what now

[–] Al0neStar@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They have a website and an instagram page with 100K+ followers but the content of the courses is not specified yet.

Im personally looking forward to a lesson on how to interpret my dreams:

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I haven’t checked but I wouldn’t be surprised if this came from the period when he was taking so many substances it fucked his health

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It’s from Maps of Meaning, per the caption, so no this is from his original theory of everything.

Nonetheless, to be perfectly honest, I honestly can’t complain that he put something weird like that in the book as such. What, after all, is actually wrong with it, assuming a certain amount of charity about context relevance? That it’s gross to recount weird sexually charged dreams you had about your grandmother?

For a psychologist in the tradition of Jung, and therefore to a great extent Freud, such material might actually be quite useful! Amongst the worst things therapy culture - and perhaps the whole ideology of post-Freud psychology/iatry/therapy - does is to rehabilitate prudishness about what it is and is not acceptable to talk about in our psychic lives, when liberation from those oppressive norms is precisely the best achievement of those aspects of Freud which remain uncontroversial (not to mention those which are only controversial for bad reasons).

You know the whole thing: “we don’t talk about that wanting to have sex with your mother stuff”, well why on Earth not? Amongst the most obvious things in the world is that people are incredibly weird and complex. Why cave in to propriety and ignore it?

Lots of people have experiences like this, and therefore by definition it’s important to discuss them - non-pathologically - if you want to understand (and improve) people’s psychic life.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 6 months ago

Originally I had a longer and more nuanced gut response that was along the lines of: “ok people have weird dreams and whatever, sure, but why would you publish this instead of just talking about it in therapy?” which you have answered more or less

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

re source - fair, I haven't really looked into it (because I prefer to limit how much brainpoison from these dipshits I allow into my own head)

the spirit of my comment was in the lines of "people have been known to have surreal visions/thoughts/ideas amped up by compounds", albeit it's on me to not have worded that out well (and to be clear here, this isn't said in judgement of taking compounds, either). and with aphantasia I guess my reference of perception is a bit slanted, too. as to the rest of your post, broadly I agree with that stance. a lot of things in this world would be better if people weren't fucking shamed for talking about 'em

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I kind of used you to grandstand about a broader point that I hoped other people who had the “yuck” reaction would see, and I still haven’t figured out how to tag people (i.e. the person above) on this janky site

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 6 months ago

Depends what client you use, but it’s roughly markdown-ish link format with the bit in () being the username (incl. domain)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

If I go to school and take “Forbidden Courses” I BETTER be coming out with necromancy and demon summoning. Otherwise we gonna fight.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Necromancy is a dying art.

[–] probablynaked@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

you son of a bitch, lol

[–] slopjockey@awful.systems 7 points 6 months ago

I think they've already summoned demons, judging by the speaker list at least...

[–] corbin@awful.systems 7 points 6 months ago

Better not fight on the bus; that's where he's at his most deadly.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Or even better, levitation.

[–] Al0neStar@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Richard Hanania, one of the featured speakers mentioned in the article:

[–] 200fifty@awful.systems 27 points 6 months ago

Wow, he seems so confident and secure in his masculinity! No one's gonna think this guy has issues with his sexuality after he made this tweet, that's for darn sure.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They let 14 year olds be featured speakers? That dude looks like he just got out of a kindergarten class.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 6 months ago

I think many 14-year-olds would have vastly more valuable thoughts to share than this dick

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 6 months ago

"It would be hard to abuse a law that forcibly sterilized everybody with an IQ under 90 provided that the person scored that low on an objective test blindly graded." —Richard Hanania

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 14 points 6 months ago

Not saying good morning because you are homophobic: ✋😔

Not saying good morning because you avoid human interaction in general: ☝️😊

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago

Good morning 😏

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 24 points 6 months ago

Shot:

One had been fired from Princeton University after sleeping with a student and “discouraging her from seeking mental health care,” per an official university statement.

Chaser:

Princeton University’s Board of Trustees voted Monday to fire Joshua Katz, Cotsen Professor in the Humanities, effective immediately.

The university said in a statement that the dismissal followed an investigation initiated in February 2021 after Princeton received a detailed written complaint from an alumna who had a consensual relationship with Katz while she was an undergraduate under his academic supervision. That relationship was the focus of a 2018 disciplinary proceeding against Katz, which resulted in a penalty of unpaid suspension in 2018–19 and three years of probation following his return, Princeton said. The unnamed alumna did not participate in or cooperate with the 2018 disciplinary proceeding, according to Princeton. But when she came forward in 2021, she provided what Princeton called “new information,” triggering a new investigation. The second inquiry did not revisit the policy violations for which Katz was previously punished, according to Princeton: “It only considered new issues that came to light because of new information provided by the former student.”

“The 2021 investigation established multiple instances in which Dr. Katz misrepresented facts or failed to be straightforward during the 2018 proceeding, including a successful effort to discourage the alumna from participating and cooperating after she expressed the intent to do so,” the university said. “It also found that Dr. Katz exposed the alumna to harm while she was an undergraduate by discouraging her from seeking mental health care although he knew her to be in distress, all in an effort to conceal a relationship he knew was prohibited by university rules. These actions were not only egregious violations of university policy, but also entirely inconsistent with his obligations as a member of the faculty.”

Garnish:

Katz has previously denied that he engaged in any conduct beyond that for which he was suspended in 2018. He’s argued that Princeton wanted to fire him because of his political speech, including for a 2020 essay in Quillette which he referred to a Black student group as a “small local terrorist organization.” But Princeton’s dismissal announcement sheds new light on what the 2021 investigation was about; contrary to Katz’s public statement that he was being effectively retried for the same violations for political reasons, Princeton was now looking at a different set of allegations from the former undergraduate student herself, in part because Katz had (according to Princeton’s apparent findings) prevented her participation in the first investigation.

[–] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We numbered 50 or so. We came from places like Harvard and Stanford and UChicago and MIT and U Penn.

So this is what we call a “career limiting move.”

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 19 points 6 months ago (10 children)

it's amazing how schools like these can graduate battalions of fools and people still take their diplomas as certificates of wordliness

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[–] Argongas@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 6 months ago

🌍🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

[–] BustinJiber@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Imagine gong into debt to go to Meme and Nut Academy.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Peter springs to the center of the room. The air pressure changes. A buzz, a hum, a current about us. He brims with a frenzied energy. Something is happening. He is going to give us a taste of what’s to come, he says. This is the kind of intellectual activity we’re going to experience at UATX. We’re going to grapple with big issues. We’re going to be daring, fearless, undaunted. We’re going, he says, to do something called “Street Epistemology.”

Doctor Rockso Epistemology (nsfw) they just sparkle.

Very high 'I'm being cancelled for my opinions... you know the ones' factor.

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Of course, Lonsdale and Andreessen’s claims expressed less sincere belief in the inherent good of AI or unending technical innovation than post hoc rationalizations for a more fundamental virtue: making a shit ton of money.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pour one out for Street Epistemology, I guess. Now I'm wondering if Anthony Magnabosco, the guy who does those Street Epistemology videos for Youtube, is also a chud.

Boghossian deserved to lose his job, though. It's one thing for scientists


mathematicians, physicists, etc.


to sneer at soft sciences by mocking their lack of empirical rigor; it's another thing entirely for a non-tenure-tracked philosopher to do it. And Portland State was relatively gentle with him, telling him that he had to take a course on ethics of human experimentation before continuing to publish; he quit himself out of a decent teaching position because he wanted to be a proud crybaby. May he never move back to Oregon.

[–] probablynaked@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I long considered Street Epistemology to have some thought provoking ideas about discourse with people holding steadfast views - there really aren’t a lot of other popular approaches to this.

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I almost feel sorry for Ralph...

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I know. I almost cried seeing him want to go to the pool and his response to not being able to go in there. Also the pro-immigrant response made me feel like he was more human than most of the people at that "college."

[–] boywar3@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Dude will be in for a rude wakeup call if his buddies get into power, what with being an immigrant and all...

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