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[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

returning mastectomized transmascs boob ;w;

maybe this healing works like in the cosmere universe, restoring the body to ones own self image. identiy affirmative resurection πŸ₯°πŸ₯°

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This plastic surgery has two parts. First we we hit you with this sledgehammer...

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago

Talk about rebirth

[–] Aurora_TheFirstLight@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm thinking about this, does it read the hormones you have?

Or is it full fantasy it reads your soul?? Now that will be great no more doubting, just contact your local necromancer for a quick regeneration spell !

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

In cosmere its full soul. Someone gained access to one source of magical healing and it healed him from being afab. The catch is that it’s a pain in the ass to have the ability to heal others

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The second is how I'd personally rule True Resurrection recreating a body that no longer exists or is too damaged to use. Same with how you look when Astral Projecting.

My personal take on it is this. Since it requires the body, normal Resurrection rebuilds the body from the body's own blueprint then asks the Soul to return to it. So diseases, missing limbs/organs, body mods, etc. get "fixed" from the body's POV and you're left with what your body would be at that age if nothing prior had happened to it. Then you'd be contacted in your respective afterlife and asked if you want to come back.

True Resurrection contacts you first and then if you agree to come back looks to the Soul to create the appropriate vessel for your return.

So a trans woman would be Resurrected in the man's body she was born in. But would be True Resurrected as the woman she always was inside.

So I'm just picturing a Church of Bahamut using True Resurrection to revive one of their mightiest heroes from a time long passed. Who legends say was a mountain of a man almost seven feet tall and who was so strong he could rip a man in half with his bare hands. Only for an absolutely tiny woman to appear before them because when the hero died in battle and arrived in the afterlife that's when she finally saw her true self that she'd been running from all that time. She absolutely can still rip a man in half with her bare hands of course because her abilities wouldn't change.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Ritual scarification and trophy scars might also be at risk. Piercings definitely will need redoing.

[–] Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If they're currently wearing the jewelry, the piercing will happen at the same time as the resurrection.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I’ve got a new idea on how to keep the big bad from being resurrected, just gotta give their corpse a cute little heart piercing! When all the flesh regrows around it, the piece of metal installed there will quickly re-kill them.

[–] Jourei@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hm. Like striking a copper nail in a tree trump.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago

Or a stake in a vampire's heart

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

The typical TV / movie / videogame answer to that is that any foreign objects are pushed out of the body as part of the resurrection. I don't know how that wold work if you resurrected someone who's currently locked inside an iron maiden.

[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tfw your top surgery reversed by resurrection 😩

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

One of the joys is that top and bottom surgery are necessary only in a world without magic or magic-level tech. Trans folk in worlds with resurrection spells don't get surgery, they drink a potion or wear a girdle, and get a really rather complete transformation, including the capacity to bear / sire children.

Will resurrection reverse a magical sex-change transformation? Depends on how the spell works out how to restore you, and if the sex change is material or a magical construct, like an illusion.

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[–] mozzribo@leminal.space 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Then they have to get HRT again, but at least they are alive.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

doesn't stuff like this tend to operate on the soul as a template? so if anything killing and resurrecting someone with body dysmorphia should turn them into what they see themselves as

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 7 points 8 months ago

I feel like this is one of those things that would differ between Resurrection and Reincarnate, but I'm not sure off the top of my head which would do what.

Also a possibility depending on the RPG universe.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Got that cancerous growth removed? Yup, it’s back now!

[–] don@lemm.ee 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure a cancerous growth is a mortal wound. Those get closed.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The question is does it have the effects listed in the order they're presented? Because if it does I'd argue it reintroduces the growth. If it restores body parts and then cures mortal wounds I'm with you though.

[–] don@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

I also have to question whether a cancerous growth would be considered a body part, relative to the spell. But given the apparent restorative nature of the spell, I doubt it would (re)introduce anything inherently harmful.

[–] Omgarm@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Also you have to clip your toenails again.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Hm. Maybe. But maybe the new cells wouldn't mutate in the same way this time.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It would be really strange to get my nuts back after bottom surgery. Where tf would they go?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 8 months ago

I suspect it would undo labiaplasty and appendectomies. Ressurection seems to be a fresh install of the corporeal OS. I suspect bodybuilders would be disappointed while those who live with obesity would be pleasantly surpised. Heredary cancer, previously treated might restore itself.

If Resurrection is open source, a branch might detect and accommodate body / identity conflicts and detect and fix hereditary conditions. Talk to your referee and temple high priestess to see which resurrection is right for you, and be sure to file an advance directives document to inform your fellow party members and resurrectionist about your post Resurrection intentions.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

they would replace the labia skin? (labia is the outer skin of vagina right?)

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The surgeon used my scrotum to make those, that skin is still there, just rearranged origami style.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The testicles themselves (along with their plumbing and I believe some surplus erectile tissue) are gone-gone.

Everything else (like literally all the skin) has been rearranged and reattached, it's fucking incredible.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Couldn’t you argue that those weren’t supposed to be there in the first place?

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Oooooh, I like that!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So, what happens if you resurrect an 80 year old human. If they're an amputee, they get their limbs back... but is it the limb as it would appear on their 80 year old body? Or, the limb as it was when it disappeared?

Imagine an 80 year old with a 20 year old's forearm.

Also, how healthy does it make you? Are you as healthy as you were before you died? Or, are you returned to perfect health? Or very good health for your age?

How does it affect dementia? Dementia is eventually fatal, but I don't think it counts as a mortal wound.

Also, if it closes all mortal wounds, what about non-mortal wounds? Say Bob died by falling off a cliff. He's resurrected, and he gets back the arm that he lost decades ago. Meanwhile his other arm is completely shattered, but not in a mortal way. The rock that was piercing his chest disappears and his massive chest wound is gone, however he's still bleeding from a dozen small cuts, none of which are mortal on their own, but taken together will cause him to bleed out in a few minutes.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

It comes back as baby limbs, like the axolotl

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[–] BirdEnjoyer@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago

I never got to play this character very long, but I had this idiot rich draconic bloodline Sorcerer whose parents had hidden the fact that they were a Tiefling from them.

As far as they knew, they were a half-orc with a skin condition, born when their father was shamed and banished, and their mother was swept off their feet by a gallant orc of the hinterlands. (lol, no, the parents are evil AF demon worshippers spawning teiflings into the bloodline, and they're too dumb to realize it. No hot orc babydaddy to speak of)

They cut off the tail and cauterized the horn buds really early, and basically the plan was to see if they discovered the Draconic Bloodline before or after getting hit by a strong enough healing spell to restore their demonic features.

They probably wouldn't be able to understand the idea that they could be both part demon and part dragon, and part Good aligned and part Evil aligned creature, to boot. Comedy gold in the right party.

[–] GaiusBaltar@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If you get cut clean in half, can you resurrect both halves and make a clone? πŸ€”

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Rules as written, that spell also includes the following two sections, listed before the one highlighted in this post:

You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If its soul is free and willing, the target returns to life with all its hit points.

This spell neutralizes any poisons and cures normal diseases afflicting the creature when it died. It doesn't, however, remove magical diseases, curses, and the like; if such effects aren't removed prior to casting the spell, they afflict the target on its return to life.

I think the only gray area would be whether or not the other effects still occur, i.e. if it still makes a body. You can resurrect one half with a soul, but the soul can't be in two places at once, so the other half would either fail completely or be a healthy looking but otherwise dead body.

Casting Simulacrum is cheaper, or you could cast Clone which will give you a spare body when your current one dies.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I think it'd work like banks when changing broken bills. You have to have either over 50% or both halves.

If you go to the bank with exactly half a note, they won't give you a new one. Go there with 60% of one and they will.

Go there with the two separate halves, and it'll also work.

So my thinking is resurrecting one half gets rid of the other, or it just doesn't work if there's exactly 50%. But as that would never really happen, one half always has more, so res would only work on that half?

If you've got 2 000 worth of V S M, I don't see why not

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What about everyone's first missing bodyparts, our umbilical cord and amniotic sac?

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 15 points 8 months ago

Your mother suddenly pops into existence next to you, her umbilical cord begins to materialize as the necrotic energies fueling the resurrection form her mother's outline. The priest's face is glowing like the surface of the sun, the skin peeling off and floating away in glowing motes. You realize the power of his god is flowing forth unabated and ever increasing. The symbol of Moradin, the dwarven god of creation hanging from the neck of the priest rekindles a long forgotten memory, reminding you that it was said the dwarven god of creation values automation above all else.

You lie there paralyzed by the power of the god fueling the spell coursing through you, through your maternal ancestry and now into your great great great great grandmother who is growing an umbilical cord of her own. You can only hope that the priest's mortal frame gives out soon.

If the paladin does a critical fumble the umbilical placenta and mother grows around you.

[–] araneae@beehaw.org 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Surely the spell restores your functioning homeostasis priror to death rather than 3d printing some kind of magically made repository of all your "healthiest" body parts right? So surely gods and magic don't care about your foreskin or untransing your gender.

PUT THAT ORC WOMAN BACK IN HER ASSIGNED SEX AT BIRTH BODY AND REINSTALL THAT BITCHES' APPENDIX AND DORMANT CANCER TISSUE. MYRKUL DEMANDS THE RESTORATION OF THE APPENDIX.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago

Well, the good news is that cancer and appendicitis would be considered diseases which the spell explicitly cures when making the body "whole" for the resurrection.

The bad news is that the Weave does not differentiate between things removed purposefully and things lost in combat. So it is 100% untransing your gender.

But some more good news is that if a mage concentrates on True Polymorph for its full 1-hour duration the effects become permanent unless dispelled. So they can trans your gender so effectively they can actually give you all the fully functional bits and bobs.

In my homebrew setting I have a major band of retired adventurers made up of scrapped character concepts from over the years. One of them actually travels the land among other things transing the genders of people born into the wrong body as they were.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Would anywhere in Toril have reason to practice circumcision? Which of the gods commanded their followers to cut off the skin of their dicks? It was Cyric wasn't it? It would certainly sow chaos and discord without resulting in wars.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So if i died from debilitating illness, to what point such spell resurrect me? πŸ€”

[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It cures diseases of a non magical nature. Here's a link to the full text https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Resurrection#content

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