Great that you’re there, depressing that you have to be
this post was submitted on 27 Aug 2023
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I saw you at the festival standing in front of the WBC wannabes, but the flag was not blowing so we didn't see the DON'T. the guy i was with was about to yell at you (for what little good that would do, in reality), but the wind blew and we saw the DON'T.
i like the cut of your jib, sir.
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I'm gonna be the guy to say why I don't like this.
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Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people -- no matter how vile -- I immediately wonder if this person is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.
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This is precisely the type of message and messenger the FBI uses to infiltrate and entrap antifacists. OP, I think it's very unlikely that you're an undercover FBI informant, but you should read up about Micky Windecker, because you're wearing the uniform of an FBI informant and their targets.
or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.
I get why people are dunking on this but for real, spend two seconds in a "pedophile hunter" community and tell me this isn't true.
I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages the way he's trying to stereotype anyone who doesn't agree with him. They're actually very patient, methodical people because they have to be. The stereotype is absurd and falls flat on its face with even a second's worth of thought applied to it.
And that's the point -- his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it's meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we'll reject his insane demands.
It's all just fascist propaganda. That's all it's ever been.
I don't think it's bunk to say that many people join these types of communities to enact violent tendencies in a socially acceptable way. This is something that's been seen before. For example, many Italian anarchists quickly jumped over to the fascists' side when Mussolini came to power, and a common hypothesis as to why is that they initially joined the anarchists for a chance to commit violent acts in the name of revolution.
I also don't think it's far-fetched to say that it's a good idea to keep these types of people at arm's length, because it's likely you won't be able to rely on them when things start going south.
Edit: sorry, I did just see this comment is a year and a half old. Apologies on giving you a ping that long after.
I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages
Fair enough, I have no doubt there are stable individuals that do it purely on the basis of protecting children, improving the community, maybe even rehabilitating the mentally ill.
I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds, who seem to be more interested in the money and fame. They escalate for the views and then all their evidence gets denied in court for not taking proper legal steps. The comments on their videos are vile. You can't help but think some of these people are only here because this is the acceptable hate.
And that's the point -- his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it's meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we'll reject his insane demands.
...what demands?
spend two seconds in a “pedophile hunter” community and tell me this isn’t true.
I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds,
No you're not. You're backtracking when called out on a lie. Stop fucking lying.
…what demands?
Yeah, playing stupid won't work with me, chump. We both know damn well what you're doing: using every rhetorical trick in the book to stop the left adopting violence because you and I both know it's the only chance they have of stopping the fascists from taking over the country completely, and you don't want that.
Well, it's not going to work because no one here is dumb enough to fall for it, and for that I am glad.
Dehumanizing people for their objectively evil anddangerous, consciously chosen, and often acted upon beliefs is not comparable to dehumanizing people for their inherent, involuntary attributes.
If an ideology revolves around harming or oppressing innocent people, its followers are a threat to society and is undeserving of sympathy, compassion, or a place among us, and should be treated accordingly. People who actually act on those beliefs are even worse, and are deserving of permanent removal from society.
Democracy and human rights were only ever possible through violent struggle against authoritarian ideologies, and can only be maintained through the same. To advocate tolerance of those ideologies is to advocate the fall of civilized society.
I think you've misread my comment.
I don't care if someone carrying a black lives matter flag tells me they support the use of violence against fascists. That's fine.
It's when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority. I have no indication from this photo what OP stands for. And so I can't help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don't really care what he does to Nazis, but I can't trust that person to advance justice at all. Does that make sense?
Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is... they could be setting you up.
It’s when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority.
So basically no one and you're yelling at clouds
And so I can’t help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don’t really care what he does to Nazis, but I can’t trust that person to advance justice at all.
Baseless shit smearing
Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is… they could be setting you up.
Also not happening, he's literally all alone on the street.
Also no one flying a flag like that is going to fall for that kind of a ruse, that flag is niche and a high IQ bar has to be passed to even find it, let alone fly it safely.
You're just dredging up shit to try to make him and people like him look bad, and it's not working.
You're welcome to disregard everything I say, but please listen to season one of the podcast Alphabet Boys. It walks through, step-by-step, how a tough-talking conman named Micky Windecker collapsed the Denver antifacist scene in 2020 by taking cash from the FBI to try to talk protesters into doing or saying incriminating things and then getting them arrested. If you think you're too smart to fall for it, that might be a sign you're not.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alphabet-boys/id1668980612
He has sort of a point buried deep in there; He's just not making it well.
Partly that any press is good press. Nazis are (still) a small enough subculture that it's not worth advertising them as the main counterculture.
I don't think it's small the way a lot of people assume. Way WAY too many people agree with a lot of the shit Nazis say and that's how they gain power. It happened in Germany; most Nazi supporters were just regular Joes who agreed with their hateful shit. A lot of right wingers are like that.
Most people have already picked a side on the issue anyway. That's what makes me worry and those two points together make me sympathize with OP.