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One might say it just happened to me. You should all try it sometime.

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[–] Kefass@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Argument are not won or lost. You either learn, or teach during an argument/discussion. Else you are is a "word fight", were both parties think they won, but they both lost.

I like this definition a lot.

The last time I "lost" an (online) argument it was about a gameplay mechanic that I was 99% sure about, but it turned out that the guide I had been using made some false assumptions, which might have ruined a challenge run I had done at the time. Now I know how that gameplay mechanic actually works, the challenge run went well, and both sides "won" in a way.

... also, I usually abandon arguments altogether if the other person is clearly not even willing to listen (like pedaling back to already explained / solved parts of the argument or outright ignoring proposed solutions, etc.). If it is a "me VS you" situation instead of "me and you VS the problem", then it is not worth investing time and energy into arguing as it will not lead to meaningful progress either way.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

That's why I put the word in quotes.

[–] JWBananas@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

Usually if I lose it's because I chose to participate. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never "lose", I learn from the debate and improve myself.

It's ok to be wrong, strong opinions weakly held. Soon as I have verifible evidence I change. Then I think about how I got into a position with bad data.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tomato tomahto. When was the last time though?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Idk yesterday on Lemmy. I'm often wrong and I learn from those around me

https://aussie.zone/comment/2190593

I made an assumption about how penalties were applied, and I was corrected, and I've learned.

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Tomayto tomato.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One might say it just happened to me

No it didn't

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Damn it, how can I argue with that?

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Technically by saying it again.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You were meant to argue with me :P

[–] TooMuchDog@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

No he wasn't.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Alright. Anything in particular?

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago

Well, it happened to me in the comments to this post :P